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Originally posted by Icarus Ascending:

AFI
+ Small, cozy, personal.
+ AFI actually DID offer me a substantial scholarship, which made me all warm and runny inside. Maybe they “get” my weirdo writing. I dunno. Point is, they like me, which makes me like them.
+ SWers come out with three features, at least one of which has gone through an intense semester of revisions.
+ Pitch-a-palooza or whatever they call it there.
+ A happy absence of Crit Studies BS.
+ My boyfriend and I could affordably live in a little house in Los Feliz. From some (affordable!) locations, I could even walk to school. The sheer cuteness of this scenario almost makes the decision obvious.

- Who was the last working SWer to graduate from AFI SWing? Seriously, anybody know? From what I can tell, their recent track record leaves a little something to be desired... Of course, it's hard to know: many working writers don't appear in IMDB because their pieces get stuck in development.
- Nobody outside the film industry has ever heard of this school. I know that shouldn't matter, but... when I tell people about it, they say, “Oh, like the New York Film Academy?” It's depressing.
- The "crewing" requirement for screenwriters sounds vaguely like slavery. This is particularly true when it comes to second and third cycle films, on which all other fellows perform their respective crafts and SWers are "story editors" which I assume means "janitors."



USC (provided, of course, that they accept me)
+ Famous, world-renowned program
+ SWers seem to come out with a substantial body of (well-revised) work
+ "Get Pitch Quick" or whatever they call it there
+ Chance to work with the producers-of-tomorrow
+ Production opportunities
+ Mafia

- In the ghetto ("and his mama cries...")
- I've heard that the SWing program starts out painfully basic--as in, scene-writing exercises. Don't get me wrong: I think reviewing fundamentals is the height of good health, but I'd rather not pay through the nose for another thrilling round of Aristotle’s lecture notes.
- The vastly oversized film program (100 production students alone every year... yegods...) leads me to wonder how much individual attention one gets.
- I read some silly article in a SW mag a few months ago that told me not to go to USC. The reasoning went something like this: USC is the McFilmSchool... everyone and his plumber went there… if anyone in the industry finds out you attended, they’ll just roll their eyes and figure you for another McScreenwriter... Yeah, it was the usual pointless we’ve-got-70-pages-to-fill-and-we-can’t-do-another-article-about-Nora-Ephron’s-cat screenwriting magazine crap, but sometimes that kind of thing haunts you…
- I have this hang-up (my therapist has another name for it) about not fitting in at USC. I don’t know what exactly makes me feel that way. Oh, maybe it’s because the buildings are called things like “Lucas,” “Spielberg,” and “Zemeckis.” See, I tend to write kind of oddball, talky, vaguely brainy stuff. I would be of absolutely no help to someone writing a script about space aliens, and I don't think they could be of much help to me.

I appreciate anyone who has waded this far into the murky darkness which I euphemistically call “my decision-making process,” and I would grateful for any insight.

Thanks in advance,
Icarus


I'll only speak for USC.


1. Ghetto.

If a small town Ohioan like me isn't EVER scared on campus, you should rest assured that the UPC's bark is worse than it's bite...I guess it can get pretty hinky off campus on the south side, but nobody I know's ever been there. The nearby area is almost exclusively students, and I drive in from the north west with no fear each day. Stuff happens, sure...but that's everywhere. I really thought I was going to be attending school in a war zone, but it's nuttin' to write home about....ironically enough, I come from a town similar to Old Orange, where Chapman is and had never been to LA...so I would be the most likely to be terrified had there been a poll, I believe.

2. Scene writing.

It's true, it's basic, but not so painful, in my esteem. Lots of scene writing, two short scripts in the first semester, but those scenes, and the characters within them bear fruit if you do them right...and you write the first day...three scenes, in fact, with ten minutes to do so.

3. Oversized.

More production students mean more people to produce my work. 100 of them every year, and it takes them 3-5 years to get out. 32 (31 in my year) per year of us, and we're out in 2, maybe 3 years. We have our own division, our own advisors, our own chair, our own everything...and we graduate students ALL know each other by name. Each first year is paired with both a faculty and a second year mentor...so don't worry about individual attention. It's there if you want it, but nobody breathes down your neck.

4. McFilmSchool.

I've never heard that before. Not from any agent, and I've met several, and not from the many working alums I know. In my experience, USC doesn't guarantee your awesomeness to anyone...it just gives you the opportunity to prove it when most wouldn't get that chance. That's all I know.

5. Fitting In.

I never saw Star Wars, and I don't plan to. I write insanely dark character driven "indie dramas," as one of my classmates calls them, and I must tell you, I haven't heard of a single classmate who is writing space alien tentpole summer hits. That's honest and true. We all write different films, but contrary to sorta popular belief, we didn't come here to learn to write blockbusters.



Re: UCLA....

You won't get graduate housing. Last year, they sent out a mass email at 11pm PST (2am EST) saying they had one guaranteed spot, first email the GA got secured it.

Don't get that? Good luck getting away with living for $1250 in Westwood. And it's pretty boring there, FYI.

The no rewrite thing bothered me too. As one of my favorite profs here loves to say, writing is rewriting.


Re: AFI....

Los Feliz ain't cheap. But...you can live there and go to USC easily...I can think of at least 12 cats that do. I personally live in Hollywood...for $912 a month. Beat that.

;-)


PS...we have to take Crit classes, but they *ahem* guide us into the ones that *ahem* fit our *ahem* needs best.
 
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Hey Jayimess, (or other USCers) do USC writing applicants have to take the GRE? I think all USC masters film applicants do, but on the USC site it says some programs will make an exception. Is writing one of those exceptions? Thanks!
 
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Yes, we have to take the GRE, not so much for SCA, but for USC's graduate school.
 
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Just a few quick notes in response to Icarus' post:

I'm not sure about "famous" screenwriters coming out of the AFI program, but I do know there are working writers. The one person I know who happened to graduate from AFI (about 2 years ago) is now writing the remake of Fletch ("Fletch Won")

Re: Jayimess's RE:

It's totally possible to get reasonable rent in Los Feliz. I currently live about two blocks from the AFI campus (this is technically a "Hollywood" zip code as I live on the south side of Franklin and just west of Western). I pay $880 including parking. Other people I know in a 5-6 block radius pay similar amounts (these are all two bedroom roommate situations, it is a little more expensive to live alone).

Now that I've said all that... don't go to AFI! (I'm trying to work my way off the waitlist. hehe.)
 
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Thanks Jayimess!
 
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Hey, all--

Thanks to everyone who replied. The feedback is extremely helpful.

--Icarus

P.S. This is a shameless attempt to bump up the thread so folks will continue to post +s and -s re: various screenwriting programs.
 
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Hey,

Congratulations to everyone who got in! i also got my unofficial acceptance email last week.

jayimess, you mentioned you got offered a scholarship for the program and I'm wondering when the offer came... was it mentioned before you got your official notification? Any other ideas for funding, scholarships, etc? also, is it possible to get anything like that for your first year at usc?

I'm also appreciating all the plus minus posts. Good luck to everyone on choosing the right program!
 
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The scholarship offer came from Ackerman himself, via personal emails, after I got my letter of admission. Since I never went through the process of actually attending, I don't know the whole procedure for their financial aid stuff.

As soon as you are accepted, you can sign up for GRAPES, the UCLA graduate fellowship digest. I still get the emails, and they're invaluable.

As for USC, first semester aid is all but non-existent. I did get a scholarship, but I'm a rare case and I'm not willing to explain how I got it. (sorry, no leeway on this one) However, DAships roll in for us second semester, which pay off two credit hours and an hourly wage. I believe 10 or 11 of my classmates got those.

We actually just turned in scholarship apps on Friday. There's a ton of money to be had next year, so we'll see how it goes.
 
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