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I'm new to the forum, my name is 'mttguy' I'll be moving to LA this fall.

Recently, I decided to pursue a career as a filmmaker. I'm sure these questions get asked all the time on this site, so I hope this isn't too redundant.
After speaking with people in the production business and a film school professor, I was told that going to film school was perhaps not the best avenue for breaking into the film business. They suggested that instead of going into debt $100k at USC, I could potentially invest the money in a film and probably do fairly well. They also mentioned getting work on Indy films would be relatively easy around LA. While I have no doubt that attending film school would provide both theoretical and vocational background in film, I was amazed that I got the same advice from two totally different people.
I'm very serious about being involved, if even in a small part, in this business, and I want to give myself the best chance for success. So, I suppse my question to the forum is "Why should I go to film school?" Are the three years of full time study, debt, and potential alumni connections worth it? Should I take courses at UCLA Extension or Otis at night and just try to break into it without a formal education?

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-- mttguy
 
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Ah yes... this is the eternal question.

If you have $200k (the actual cost of a USC or NYU education) sitting around and you don't have to spend it on school, yes you could make an indie feature with it. Most people have that money for school (loans, parents, etc.) but not for spending on a film.

Film school gives you what I call a "safe" time. You're sheltered. You can make films, establish connections, get experience, and thrive within the industry all while under the umbrella of a school that gives you everything you need.

Once you're out there by yourself, you're really alone. If you screw up, it's your money and your career on the line. This is partially true in school too, but school gives you a chance to fail in safety. School gives you incredible valuable experience and connections. You'll find people you trust with your life (even though they routinely risk theirs - film is crazy) and you will work with these people for your career.


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Hmmm.... I'm not sure I like the advice that people give of just spending 100k to make a film instead of going to film school. Take a look at it this way:

A. You don't go to film school. You make a film for 100k. Chances are it bombs (more likely than not - money does not equal a good film) and all you are left with is 100k debt and a bad film.

B. You go to a film school and spend 100k in "good debt" for a college education. You make a couple of shorts in film school, some of them bad, some of them good. You also are able to try out at film school the many different aspects of the film business - to see what aspect of film you like best. Film school showed me that it wasn't directing that I enjoyed the most - it was editing. Also, as Titanium said above - film school allows you to make connections which are GOLD in the film business. Every once in a a while I get new gigs because people who I went to film school with want to use me for their job. Worse comes to worse - at then end of the day - you have a degree from a University - which is quite good.

With option A - you only have one shot and the deck is stacked seriously against you. Plus not knowing anything about the film business and how to budget a film, alot of that money would probably be wasted on unnecessary expenses and you probably won't be able to find the best crew. You also won't know alot of the trappings that first time directors get themselves into...etc etc...etc...

Now a better option A would be to just buy a camera - say the HVX P2 - and just start filming shorts! Film a ton of them until you get the hang of it. Soon you will have enough experience to tackle a feature.

But - all being said...the deck is stacked high against someone making it as a film director in the business. Film school might give someone a fighting chance. Film school will also help someone get a job in the business that isn't necessarily directing.

That being said as well - to get a job in the film business - you don't need to have gone to film school. You just need to be a hard worker and to be a glutton for punishment.

Option C would be none of the above. Move to LA with some savings. Intern or volunteer at a production office or post house, work as a PA, work as a runner, and begin the slow, hard, humiliating, and painful rise up through the studio system getting experience as you go. Option C takes a strong stomach for slow progress - but I do know people who have gone this route.

Bottom line - I'm not sure I buy the line that instead of going to film school for 100k you should make a film for 100k - because chances are - without experience - you're going to have a really expensive bad film. There are exceptions to this of course but think about it:

When in Vegas - do you want to put 100k down in Roulette?

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Thanks so much!

That's pretty much what I was thinking, but I wanted some other opinions.

Is is possible to go to UCLA or USC and still work part time? I know both schools boast they are full-time schools, but is it possible to still work a couple days a week. LA is pretty hard to live in with just student loans.

Also, I've notices that both UCLA's and USC's website only require a couple treatments and a portfolio listing. Don't they want to see example of other work (i.e. art, photography, film, etc.)? The schools even go so far as to say do NOT send DVD's or reels. What are your thoughts?
 
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From my interview I would say no for the first year of school... and possible for the next year. Possible, but not likely either.
 
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They suggested that instead of going into debt $100k at USC, I could potentially invest the money in a film and probably do fairly well.


I've heard this a lot, and I would like to quote a friend from another forum as a response:

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I still get a bit baffled by the retort, "don't go to school, spend that $70K on equipment and a film." Few 18 year olds are ready to make a film. But they're ready to go to school. And then people say, "well don't study film, study English literature." Again, it doesn't really compute for me. Study what you want, but if you already know you want to make films, you might as well feed your passion by studying it every waking moment. College can be a lot of work!

I think people expect that taking some non-film liberal arts education will give a person enough depth to make a movie or something. But reading Chaucer won't give a person that depth--if she's got depth and something to say, she'll find something interesting to say in her films regardless of her choice of college major. Just like going to film school won't make you a filmmaker either. But it will help you discover if you're really one or not rather than waiting until AFTER college to do it. Let's face it. Most DVXUsers are at least a bit obsessed with filmmaking. Who wouldn't want to think it, study it, and do it every day as part of the education they're going to be getting anyway? I wish I did (and yes, I do work and get paid in the Industry and did NOT go to film school nor have I family in the business--then again the "Industry" I refer to is in Canada.) If school really is not what you learn but simply "learning to learn" (I wonder if I remember 1% of the details my undergraduate education), then you might as well spend that time doing something you believe might really want to pursue through your life. There's a lot to know. If filmmaking is for you, start studying it now.

I wonder if anti-film school folks are actually just nervous that not having gone to film school forces them to play catch up. Me thinks they dost protest too much (see I studied Shakespeare!). Hey, I felt a bit threatened not having been a film school grad myself. But I also recognize that so many of my colleagues in the business who pursue their independent projects on the side will never make a film I want to watch--they really are better suited to being a focus puller or a producer or a post-production supervisor. Filmmakers are probably born not made. But I think most of those born to it, get a sense early on that it's what they want to do (even if they don't necessarily act upon it right away). Those born to it have nothing to lose and everything to gain by going film school.

But all that said, one thing I believe entirely is that the old rules are changing. I've never heard of Coppola's girl with a betacam metaphor, but if it hasn't happened yet (that might be debatable), it's only because Coppola was vastly ahead of his time. The Industry that most people consider to the industry in LA is decentralizing. That's the digital revolution for you. The stuff people traditionally had to learn in film school is now available everywhere via the Internet. At this point all roads lead to Rome. The Industry is going to look profoundly different 10 years from now. Filmmakers that will be catching our attention will be coming from everywhere and from more varied backgrounds. I mean, think about it. How old is the DVX? Three years? Things are just getting started. Very exciting times.
 
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