This is my first post on here so forgive me if i am not 100% with the term. I believe it is called a keyframe. i see in the books that came with the software they show you how to add key frames with video. i need to be able to lower and raise the volume in soundtrack pro and than put it into final cut. thanks guys.

i am a certified FCP trainer and in FCP you should be able to lower the DB level, first use the razor tool to cut the audio clip then control click and you should see a level selection click that and then raise and lower as necessary. key framing should not be necessary for audio production key framing is used for moving objects around the screen and titles.

Uh no.

I'm not certified, but you can create audio keyframes using the pen tool directly on the audio timeline in Final cut pro by having the clip overlays toggled on. (The very bottom left corner of the sequence timeline it looks like little mountain peaks just to the left of the "timeline height") from here you can tween the audio levels up and down from the keyframes you select.

Haha, yeah. Cutting the clip up to adjust audio levels is just silly.

it seems like this only allows you to adjust the volume to one specific db for the entire frame that is selected. i am looking to have a fluid line where i can adjust the volume up and down throughout the seqence. I have worked with avid and remember being able to do this. thanks again

Read REDking's response again. He answered your question.

Ok you have found how to adjust the volume that's good! now use the pen tool to make two seperate points on that line. First click the pen tool, then click directly in the line in the audio timeline, once you have two or more points you can adjust between them. I hope this helps, you are very close!

Hot damn its hard to write out directions. I had a photoshop class where the final had us hand write out how to do certain proceedures it was a nightmare.

redking thank you soooo much man. i really appreciate it. it means alot to me when someone takes the time to explain something.

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Originally posted by titaniumdoughnut:
Haha, yeah. Cutting the clip up to adjust audio levels is just silly.

Hey - it's not silly at all. I use add edits and dissolves to mix on the Avid (and when I use FCP) all of the time.

It allows a very precise frame based and numerical based mix.

For ex, you add an edit point where you want the change in volume to occur. Before the edit point it is 0db for example and then you make after the edit point -20db. Then add a 20 second dissolve between then centered, started, ending, or even custom. It allows precise frame based control.

Want the fade to be longer - punch in a number. Want the change in volume to be greater - punch in a number.

For me - using "rubberbanding" with audio keyframes is to imprecise and slow.

Some people prefer it - but using "add edits" is definitely not silly at all.

-Chris
Studentfilms.com

Interesting. Let me rephrase that - in Final Cut, it's silly

Final Cut's audio tools are actually very advanced for an NLE, and seem to follow in the footsteps of systems like ProTools (which is heaven for audio, despite being clunky) where you would never want to cut a clip to change levels. In fact, cutting an audio clip runs the risk of the frequency and phase not lining up, resulting in a pop. It's rare, but evil.

it just seems silly that you can not do this in soundtrack pro. I am making the soundtrack in soundtrack so i guess i have to just wait to adjust levels after it is in final cut?

You must be able to do it in Sountrack Pro. There's no doubt about it. I just don't know how.

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Originally posted by titaniumdoughnut:
In fact, cutting an audio clip runs the risk of the frequency and phase not lining up, resulting in a pop. It's rare, but evil.

A simple dissolve will fix that. But I didn't know that is what caused the pop that you sometimes hear. You learn something new everyday.

Avid has keyrframing in audio too. I just think it's clunky and imprecise to make it the level that you want it to be.

That beings said - I'm not an audio mixer. All of the films/docs/etc that I cut get sent off for a professional mix anyways.

I'm just worried about what will get it done the fastest as an offline editor.

-Chris
Studentfilms.com

Haha, well, I guess it just goes to show that everyone has their own way of using these ridiculously complex programs. I've done a fair bit of sound mixing (there's something delightful about it) but not enough to really know what I'm talking about. I think I'd be too annoyed by the fact that the clips become separate entities, no longer tied to each other or linked to the video, when I cut them up. This might well be different in Avid.

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Originally posted by titaniumdoughnut:
I think I'd be too annoyed by the fact that the clips become separate entities, no longer tied to each other or linked to the video, when I cut them up. This might well be different in Avid.

In Avid there is no "linkage" per say but you will always see if something goes out a sync via offset numbers and lines on the clips that are out of sync.

But it's definitely not like in final cut where if you cut the audio it suddenly loses it's relationship to the video - that relationship is never lost.

-Chris
Studentfilms.com

They don't seperate in FCP unless you unlink them and it's a choice. And the numbers offset just like Avid if you force them out of sync. My problem with cutting to just to effect sound levels would be trying to undo the cut down the road if you need to. It would add a few steps to reverting to the original.

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Originally posted by REDking:
They don't seperate in FCP unless you unlink them and it's a choice. And the numbers offset just like Avid if you force them out of sync. My problem with cutting to just to effect sound levels would be trying to undo the cut down the road if you need to. It would add a few steps to reverting to the original.

Ah - it doesn't add may steps in the Avid. I think it even decreases steps.

-Chris
Studentfilms.com

I have this feeling that one day me and Avid will meet.

Hey sort of on topic i have an audio guy doing the final mix of my latest short and I had futzed around with the levels and such using the keyframes and the pen tool. he would rather deal with the original is there an easy way of clearing all the pen selections on a global scale? I don't want to go point to point!

key framing audio is time consuming and you can just lock the audio to the clip to avoid "Lagging"