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I have met with people who have also done their share and no one has ever recommended Ulead.

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The fact people with whom you associate aren't aware of Ulead software means absolutely nothing except you don't happen to associate with those who are currently using Ulead software in the film industry.

Ulead has only been around since the late 1980s.

Contrary to what you believe, Ulead MediaStudio Pro is being used by film professionals and film enthusiasts.

One of the most prolific Star Wars fan film producers is a fellow named Clay Kronke.

Kronke has created films with spectacular light saber duals.

Kronke creates all of his rotoscoped light saber sequences in the Video Paint program of Ulead MediaStudio Pro.

Here's an example of Kronke's work:

http://www.theforce.net/theater/shortfilms/brains/index.shtml

Here is one of Kronke's tutorials:

http://theforce.net/theater/software/ulead/createsaber.shtml

Here is an interview with Kronke:

http://www.fanfilmxchange.com/ffx/interviews/ckronke.htm

Ulead MediaStudio Pro fully supports 16:9 aspect ratio source material.

I am acquainted with film producers who use Ulead MediaStudio Pro routinely.

And face it:

You and I are never going to agree concerning your contention that Sony Vaio home user/enthusiast class PCs are better than IBM workstation class computers.

Like I said, I've assembled three workstations.

As a result, I understand the key differences between home user/enthusiast class computers and workstation class computers.

The IBM IntelliStation is just one example of a workstation class computer.

Other computers I can recommend include the workstations class models offered by HP and Dell.

Dell's workstation class model is called the PRECISION.

Are you aware of the differences between a WORKSTATION CLASS computer and a home user/enthusiast class computer?

I would suggest you have a look at the article published in PC Magazine's September 17, 2002 issue:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,474019,00.asp

According to the article:

"When Star Wars special-effects studio Industrial Light+Magic (ILM) announced in July it was switching from Silicon Graphics workstations to Intel-based Dell systems for much of its animation work, Hollywood once again stepped away from tradition."

"Ever the trendsetter, Hollywood makes no exceptions—even when it comes to technology."

"ILM's decision reflects a movement in the film industry that has slowly trickled into the mainstream over the past few years: Intel-based and, to a smaller degree, AMD-based computers are increasingly replacing workstations equipped with traditional workstation chips like the Compaq Alpha, SCI MIPS, and Sun UltraSPARC."

"These PC workstations are being used to handle apps such as digital content creation (DCC), mechanical computer-aided design (MCAD), and even aspects of digital animation and special effects."

"Architects, engineers, programmers, financial analysts, and designers are also using workstations to provide the power their applications require."

You will note the article compared the various WORKSTATION CLASS computers and there wasn't even a ***single*** Sony model included in the review because Sony doesn't yet offer workstation class computers.

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

[This message was edited by Jerry Jones on July 05, 2003 at 07:56 AM.]

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1160719,00.asp

"Workstations may look like standard PCs, but the distinctions run rampant when you scratch below the surface."

"Workstations are built with faster, high-performance components specifically tuned to eliminate bottlenecks in key areas like memory, hard drive speed, and graphics."

"For example, match a Pentium 4 with a budget motherboard chip set, and the limitations on available RAM throughput will drag down system performance."

"Ditto for a lightning-fast graphics card inhibited by a sluggish 7,200-rpm drive instead of a faster 10,000- or 15,000-rpm drive."

"Workstations typically offer more expansion options than your average desktop, enabling multiple processors, higher amounts of system RAM, and multiple bays for additional hard drives."

"Because workstations are used for tasks that directly affect the bottom line, such as content development and product creation, many manufacturers include high levels of service, such as the three-year warranty with 24/7 response time and on-site labor that comes with the Dell Precision Workstation 530."

"Many manufacturers also include ISV (independent software vendor) certifications, which ensure that specific apps, such as AutoCAD, run smoothly with the system's supplied configuration, allowing instant, out-of-the-box productivity."

"These certifications guarantee that your machine is optimized for certain tasks, saving an engineering staff the testing time to prequalify a workstation."

"All of the workstations reviewed in this story have an extensive list of ISV certifications."

"In general, there are three classes of workstations: high-end, midrange, and entry-level."

"We reviewed machines in the high-end and midrange classes."

"Also referred to as 3-D workstations, high-end workstations are geared toward those working with MCAD programs such as PTC's Pro/Engineer, SolidWorks, and EDS's Unigraphics, or DCC programs like NewTek's LightWave and Discreet's 3ds max."

"Such workstations typically come with AMD Athlon MP or Intel Xeon dual processors."

"The midrange class, also known as 2-D workstations, comes with either a Pentium 4 or Athlon XP single processor."

"This class is typically good for power users of data-intensive 2-D applications like Adobe Photoshop and Premiere, especially when used for driving dual, high-res displays and working with large files or datasets, such as 2-D CAD files."

"Entry-level workstations are a lower-end version of the midrange machines, usually with Pentium 4 or Athlon XP single processors."

"The processor speed and graphics card quality differentiate entry-level from midrange systems and put them more in line with high-end desktop PCs."

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

Evidence of Ulead MediaStudio Pro's exploding popularity can be judged by the number of 3rd-party plug-ins that support it:

1. BorisFX

http://www.borisfx.com/products/FX/

2. Boris RED

http://www.borisfx.com/products/RED/

3. Boris Factory

http://www.ulead.com/partner/app/boris/factory.htm

4. Boris Graffiti

http://www.borisfx.com/products/GRAFFITI/

5. StageTools Moving Picture and Moving Chart

http://www.stagetools.com

6. Profound Effects UseFul Things LE Starter Pak

http://www.ulead.com/partner/app/profound/profound_SP.htm

7. Profound Effects Useful Things LE Expansion Pak

http://www.ulead.com/partner/app/profound/profound_EP1.htm

8. SpiceMaster 2

http://www.pixelan.com/products/all.htm

9. Vixen Video Enhancer

http://www.xentrik.demon.co.uk/ViXen/vixen.html

10. VideoTools Server

http://www.videotools.net/

11. VFXFlash-Factory

http://www.ulead.com/partner/app/vfxflash/vfxflash.htm

12. VFXMask

http://www.ulead.com/partner/app/vfx/vfx.htm

13. Stefan Burger Transitions

http://home.t-online.de/home/burger.stefan/

14. Doc Mordrid's Picture-in-Picture setups

http://digitalvideo.8m.net/24pip.zip

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

http://www.jonesgroup.net/media/tutoriallist.htm

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Finally, the rotoscoping program within Ulead MediaStudio Pro remains a unique feature:

http://www.ulead.com/msp/images/popup/ui2.jpg

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

I don't care what you say, I am not buying your marketting crap so stop posting fifty posts trying to tell me how great Ulead is or whatever the point of them is.
You think their great, then fine go use it and make a f*cking movie with it instead of posting the same crap on here, no one wants to read that sh*t.

If you don't look I'll force you to _=_

Man, Irony, I can't believe I missed this topic...I would have bashed this guy if you hadn't.

Stop advertising, Jerry Jones, you suit!

"Don't breathe or I'll kill you!"

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I don't care what you say...

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Well, at least you seem to care what PC MAGAZINE says as you don't seem to be recommending home computers over workstation class computers any longer.

Have a nice day.

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

That was a pretty harsh comment to lash out!
But hey, at least you have built THREE workstations all of which are IBM.

Now that is something to be proud of! Congrats and stop F*cking spamming your horrible software to us. Go to a broadcast board for burnout's where you will be appreciated.

If you don't look I'll force you to _=_

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But hey, at least you have built THREE workstations all of which are IBM.

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Not correct.

The workstations I have assembled are not IBM.

They are built around a wide selection of components such as Antec power supplies, Asus motherboards, Panasonic DVD drives, Western Digital & Seagate hard disks, etc.

I recommend IBM IntelliStation Pro workstations for people who don't have enough knowledge/confidence to build their own workstations.

But I can also recommend Dell and HP workstations.

The point that you seemed to miss from the beginning was the difference between Sony Vaio home enthusiast models of computers and workstation class computers.

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

That's great, your probably the most educated man I have ever had the honor of talking to on this messageboard.

Your missing the point that no one cares about your custom workstations or your crappy Ulead software.
Understood? Or would u like me to post a thousand links of why its annoying to repeatedly post on this msg board and argue over things that are not helping anyone here?

If you don't look I'll force you to _=_

Ealier you wrote:

"...if you want to get serious you're going to have to look at FCP, PREMIERE or AVID."

This simply isn't true.

There are many 'serious' editors out there using...

1. Ulead...

2. Pinnacle...

3. Vegas...

4. InSync...

...not to mention the 'really' expensive systems by Quantel:

http://www.quantel.com

In my first post, I never even mentioned Ulead.

It wasn't until you attacked it as 'not appropriate for serious editors' that I had no choice but to respond.

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

Well you and your "serious" editors can go have fun with your wannabe professional software.
And I only got serious when I was sick of your sorry broadcast professionalism spamming this messageboard with links to Ulead. You don't have to post that **** in every response. We got the hint the first time...now settle down.

I doubt your even a filmmaker, or even a student for that matter...so my real question is why are you on here spamming ulead and your custom workstations? We got the point the first time...now go make a film.

If you don't look I'll force you to _=_

I'll never touch Ulead products again. Disgustingly awful software that crashed whenever it was most inconvenient.

Even Premiere 5.1c wasn't as bad!

Saying that though, I would seriously recommend the G5 mac option with FCP 4. FCP 4 is simillar to Avid so is good to learn from.

The G5 Mac's are seriously fast! If you can find it, watch the Apple Developer Webcast where they premiered the G5 ... the real world speed contests say it all.

Richard Purves
One Man Band
omb@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.omb.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

Is that why our tests of Ulead MediaStudio Pro reveal that it RUNS CIRCLES AROUND ADOBE PREMIERE???

Have a look at our speed comparison page:

http://www.hyperactivemusic.com/mspro.htm

Oh... and one more thing.

Successful use of Ulead MediaStudio Pro requires a stable computer.

If your computer is unstable, you won't be successful.

I have three stable workstations.

Consequently, Ulead MediaStudio Pro runs well on all three workstations.

My brother loves Final Cut Pro.

But in many ways, Ulead MediaStudio Pro runs circles around Final Cut Pro.

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

Let me chirp in here for a few lines.

First of all dispite my MSPro oriented tagline I use and have tested many products ranging from being a beta for Premiere Pro, the Matrox RT.X100, SpiceMaster and other products including MSPro, DVD Workshop and many other tools.

1. I'm totally appalled at the level of hostility on this board towards someone who's trying to contribute his experiences. I had thought to contribute some tips as well, but as minds here are both small and closed.....

Obviously the moderator of this list isn't paying attention to how new users are treated

2. Just because an individual has had a bad experience with a piece of software does not mean that software is buggy or defective. VERY often it's because the USER has installed it in a system that has so much crud & junkware in it that it causes problems. Most other problems are related to a combination of DirectX version and display drivers.

3. Jerry is an editor of long experience with many products. Hammering him with curse words and indignity is just an example of your not having an adequate reply.

4. FYI: MediaStudio Pro7 is a VERY capable editor that can do things neither Premiere 6.5 nor Premiere Pro can do as yet. It also has integrated rotoscoping (Video Paint module), a very good vector titler (CGInfinty) and a capture tool Premiere wishes it had. It look and acts much like the RT.X100's Video Tools, but has many more features and analog support. MSPro also can use Cool3D Production Studio project files on the timeline. If you don't know of C3D-PS yet, you should.

5. How many programs have a dedicated filetype for image sequences? Can automate the storyboard to the timeline with synch to cues? Has built-in support for dual and triple head displays like the Parhelia or Millennium P-750 and their analog outputs? Have controls for their CPU utilization and multithreading levels?

6. FYI2: Premiere Pro will NOT be supporting MacOS. WinXP only.

In short; lighten up as many of you know not what you're talking about, and much of what is beint said is coming out of the wrong orifice.

Terry Stetler

Moderator: Digital Media Net MediaStudio Pro forum

[This message was edited by TerryS on July 08, 2003 at 09:39 AM.]

there is nothing wrong with favoring a particualar peice of software and saying so. people do it all the time.

what irritates everyone is that jerry repeatedly posts long detailed ADVERTISEMENTS for ulead. it is spam. this is a forum for student film makers to discuss film making, not for promoting software. jerry is trying to sell it. that is his only purpose. every single one of his posts have been plugging ulead, complete with "be sure to download the FREE trial here"

i'm sure everyone will agree, we don't need that.

oh well, no time to chat. I'm off to see The Death of a Salesman.

"...where wings take dream..."
- G. W. Bush

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Originally posted by Irony is a Dead Scene:
Well you and your "serious" editors can go have fun with your wannabe professional software.
And I only got serious when I was sick of your sorry broadcast professionalism spamming this messageboard with links to Ulead. You don't have to post that **** in every response. We got the hint the first time...now settle down.

I doubt your even a filmmaker, or even a student for that matter...so my real question is why are you on here spamming ulead and your custom workstations? We got the point the first time...now go make a film.

If you don't look I'll force you to _=_

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Wrong on many counts. Jerry's been in TV for a long time and spent time doing video for a large city. What have you done other than treat people with disrespect?

He's also not shilling his custom systems....he doesn't sell them. Nor does he work for Ulead sales. He's just an experienced editor trying to share.

As for making films; we do. We make money at it. If you're a student you likely don't, or at least not much. If you keep your lousy attitudes you won't, at least not for long as you're proving your unwillingness to learn from or work with others.

Terry Stetler

Moderator: Digital Media Net MediaStudio Pro forum

I am glad Jerry had to call in Terry for backup.
Spamming on the board is annoying so expect people like myself to get hostile. Instead of *****ing about how people don't like jerry, why don't u guys post up some films and we can talk about that. Jerry gave his advice the first time, he didn't need to spamm it like crazy in every reply there after. He likes Ulead, we don't, so stop trying to shove it down our throats? Why is that so hard to understand!!!!!!!!!!!

"Wrong on many counts. Jerry's been in TV for a long time and spent time doing video for a large city. What have you done other than treat people with disrespect?"

Well I have told Jerry to stop spamming countless times, I believe that is an acomplishment!


As for making films; we do. We make money at it. If you're a student you likely don't, or at least not much. If you keep your lousy attitudes you won't, at least not for long as you're proving your unwillingness to learn from or work with others.

Learn from or work with others? You know nothing about my work or work with others for that matter. I am not learning anything when Jerry the almighty editor of the broadcast kingdom spams horrible Ulead crap. I DON'T LIKE ULEAD SO STOP TELLING ME ITS THE BEST STUFF OUT THERE!! I edit with Avid Express, FCP and Premiere. I prefere those peices of software.

And if you guys want to offer your great expertise and almighty wisdom , post some films that you make money at and we can talk about how great they are. And I am not talking about your great broadcast work ... their is a big difference between broadcast work and filmwork.

P.S. I'll keep my lousy attitude when it comes to spammer's like Jerry -- that way I will know how to deal with door to door salesman and their pushy ways!

If you don't look I'll force you to _=_

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I edit with Avid Express, FCP and Premiere. I prefere those peices of software.

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You seem to be quite good at spamming yourself.

Evidently, you advocate a double-standard.

You think it's okay for you to trumpet Avid/Apple/Adobe, but it's not okay for me to mention Ulead, Quantel, Pinnacle, InSync or Vegas as equally "serious" alternatives.

Sad.

At least you're not still advocating Sony home user/enthusiast computers over workstation class computers.

That - after all - was the real question by the individual who started this thread.

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net