we switched most of the computers over to FCP Studio a month ago, and ever since then things take longer to render, the timeline takes longer to refresh, sometimes the audio waveforms just disappear or shift over so what you see and what you hear is quite a few frames off.

also some of the transitions and settings from old projects created on 4.5 behave differently or completely disappear when opened in FCP5

anyone else have these problems? and could it have to do with quirks having to do with having Studio installed?

I think FCP5 is slightly slower but it doesn't have as many audio glitches, etc. as 4.5. I had to tweak the quality settings quite a bit - at first dual monitors didn't work properly on my dual 2 GHz G5. It's fine now.

Aside from the QT 7.0.0 annoyance, everything has worked fine for me. But then again, I upgraded hardware at the same time. I just installed it on my laptop, but really haven't had occasion to use FCP in the field yet. I guess that will be the true test.

I've never had a problem with final cut. Ever.

"I've never had a problem with final cut. Ever."

You clearly haven't 'used it. Enough.' It's a good application, but obviously not perfect.

Ive used it more than enough, the main thing is people dont have a good enough computer to run it so they blame the program right away when there is a problem.

Please explain how you have never encountered a problem with it, then. Maybe your projects are small and not complex, because the likelihood of encountering stability and bug issues increases with complexity.

I've used premiere also and had a slew of problems with it. It would appear that no NLE is perfect.

But i mean the name of this forum is: FCP 5 is so buggy, sheesh. To put FCP's neck around that rope isn't fair. Every single editing based platform has its bugs, some more so than others (FCP not being one of the "more so's").

quote:

Originally posted by funkbomb:
I've used premiere also and had a slew of problems with it. It would appear that no NLE is perfect.

Except for Vegas that is.

quote:

Except for Vegas that is.

Word.

"FCP 5 is so buggy, sheesh. To put FCP's neck around that rope isn't fair. Every single editing based platform has its bugs, some more so than others (FCP not being one of the "more so's")"

You said you'd never encountered a bug...

FCP certainly is one of the better applications in terms of stability. However, 5 is a step back from 4.5 in my experience with it so far. I've never used any of the wintel apps but I doubt they are perfect or even as stable.

<begin flame war inducing rant>

FCP sucks. Use Avid. hehe.

Take one of my Avid classes in LA and see the light!

The one cool thing that FCP does that Avid doesn't is the ability to see audio waveforms in the source monitor. Everything else is "fischer price".

Yes I'm biased. But most editors I know agree with me.

But I don't want to start a flame war - Avid's crash too - especially with a new dot release.

</end rant>

FCP is a great mix of tools for the price - but for professional jobs I can't trust it yet. Plus trimming stinks with it.

Plus Soundtrack is like crack. Seriously - I wasted almost a full day with it making the music for that trailer. That app is way too much fun.

-Chris
Studentfilms.com

you see u said the word fun ....its slipping.

Come to our light, The FCP way, the Mac way, the better way.

Oh I love the Mac. That's what I run Avid on. FCP just isn't a good editing app when compared to Avid.

Avid is lightening fast - you can edit without hardly ever needing to use the mouse, trimming is blazing fast. And I've never had to wait for the system to load projects or wait while it thinks after I make every edit. (as fcp does for me on the feature I cut)

Avid is just more "Pro" right now.

Soundtrack is fun - FCP makes me want to jump out of a window.

Picture this - you need to send the cut you're working on now out to Fedex. It's a 20 minute cut or so. The Fedex cutoff is 5pm.

With an Avid you can assuredly stop cutting at 4:30 and make the deadline with enough time to lay off a 20 minute sequence.

If you tried to do this in FCP it'll make you render for about 10-15 minutes before you can lay the thing off.

Maybe it's gotten better with that - but it's happened to me a couple of times - where in Avid I just output and it outputs - but with FCP it needs to "prepare" forever for it.

That's one example of why Avid is more "pro" - I've probably got more.

Avid was designed by editors - FCP was designed by computer people.

But yes - "Soundtrack is crack"

-Chris
Studentfilms.com

"Except for Vegas that is"

i am in total agreement. except, i have been having something 'buggy' going on lately. i blame only myself and my lack of knowledge. when i open my .veg file...

i get this error:
AN ERROR OCCURED DURING THE CURRENT OPERATION. AN EXCEPTION HAS OCCURRED.

followed by all this:
Sony Vegas 5.0
Version 5.0a (Build 134)
Exception 0xC0000005 (access violation) READ:0x154 IP:0x4E38D7
In Module 'vegas50.exe' at Address 0x400000 + 0xE38D7
Thread: GUI ID=0xD08 Stack=0x12D000-0x130000
Registers:
EAX=028d5d68 CS=001b EIP=004e38d7 EFLGS=00210202
EBX=0345d9b8 SS=0023 ESP=0012d07c EBP=00000002
ECX=00000154 DS=0023 ESI=00000000 FS=003b
EDX=00000154 ES=0023 EDI=00000000 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
004E38D7: 8B 32 89 74 24 28 8B 4A .2.t$(.J
004E38DF: 04 89 4C 24 2C 8B 42 08 ..L,.B.
Stack Dump:
0012D07C: 00000003
0012D080: 00000000
0012D084: 01C6B840 01C40000 + 2B840
0012D088: 0345D9B8 03350000 + 10D9B8
0012D08C: 00000000
0012D090: 0343D4B0 03350000 + ED4B0
0012D094: 0343CE90 03350000 + ECE90
0012D098: 0344F080 03350000 + FF080
0012D09C: 00000002
0012D0A0: 00000002
0012D0A4: 00000116
0012D0A8: 0110005B 01000000 + 10005B (vegas50k.dll)
0012D0AC: 0110005A 01000000 + 10005A (vegas50k.dll)
0012D0B0: 000000B3
0012D0B4: 004EBB7D 00400000 + EBB7D (vegas50.exe)
0012D0B8: 4B0108B3
> 0012D0D0: 77F17AD9 77F10000 + 7AD9 (GDI32.dll)
> 0012D104: 77F17AEB 77F10000 + 7AEB (GDI32.dll)
> 0012D114: 004EC77E 00400000 + EC77E (vegas50.exe)
0012D118: 00000003
0012D11C: 4B0108B3
0012D120: 01C6B840 01C40000 + 2B840
0012D124: 4B0108B3
> 0012D128: 77F16A89 77F10000 + 6A89 (GDI32.dll)
> 0012D1A0: 00610052 00400000 + 210052 (vegas50.exe)
> 0012D1A4: 00650074 00400000 + 250074 (vegas50.exe)
- - -
0012FFF0: 00000000
0012FFF4: 00000000
0012FFF8: 007287E0 00400000 + 3287E0 (vegas50.exe)
0012FFFC: 00000000

and then vegas shuts down.

does anyone have a clue what i'm doing wrong? is it my file storage?[EMAIL]

ilanamahala@adelphia.net[/EMAIL]

The place I work at now we cut one hour programs once a week. We start off with about 6-8 hours of footage.

There's two editors, one editor/compositor, and two compositors. We all use FCP, AfterEffects, Photoshop, Illustrator, Cleaner, Squeeze on all the computers and the ONLY program that slows down or has problems now is Final Cut 5.

We have 3 G5 iMacs, 1.8GHz with 2GB of RAM, and 2 dual-processor PowerPCs with 2GB of ram, plus almost everyone besides me has a PowerBook they carry around with them and set up on the network here. ALL the computers run slow on Final Cut Pro. It's frustrating.

The only thing they all have in common is that they're all running on Panther still, so in the next few weeks we're all getting Tiger and MAYBE replace 2 of these iMacs with PowerPCs.

It's just annoying to everyone though. The compositors run AfterEffects and Maya no problem, and Final Cut still hiccups and takes a while to render.

oh well.


HEY CHRIS!

i don't remember if the other versions of FCP had it because i never put it to use, but for the last two months i've been using the trim edit buttons on Final Cut.

it's pretty much like Avid. You have your trim-edit window, JKL. The semi-colon and apostrophe are previous edit/next edit, and the brackets are Plus Frame/Minus Frame. Shift+brackets lets you do Plus Many and Minus Many. you can adjust how many frames the plus/minus trims will do. and backslash lets you play around edit.

i don't think FinalCut lets you do the 4-up edit window display though. or see what frames you're dissolving in and out from.

plus now you can map everything to everywhere, i have some of the buttons on FCP mapped to an Avid keyboard because my hand is constantly going to those buttons, but since we use AfterEffects and Photoshop, certain things like selection tools and windows are set to buttons used in those programs.

it's funny because i only ever hear of LA editors getting uppity about Avid/FCP. lots of people up here know both and switch from one to the other, and actually complain about both them just the same.

=P

but i'll admit i'm not a keyboard edit master, but that's only because almost everyone in this office uses Wacom tablets and keyboards to do any work. speaking of which i wanted to make a post about Wacom tablets.

quote:

Except for Vegas that is.


Word.

Double word. Go Vegas, or go home.

And yes Chris, you are right, Soundtrack is crack. We had a soundtrack project last year in Advanced Video in which we had to download a trailer from the net and create a whole new soundtrack for it. I made one for the Matrix Reloaded/Revolutions trailer, and damn was it fun. After that my friend and I would come in when we didn't have class to play with soundtrack, or during class when we were supposed to be doing something else.

Yes, FCP can do 4-up...

It's absurd to say one or the other is the 'only' professional NLE in that price range, since both are widely used.

yep, Cold Mountain....yep totally done with FCP.