http://www.apple.com/motion/

I for one am very excited about this because of it's interactivity with FCP and DVDSP. You can edit keyframes, composite modes, filters and other timeline parameters and it will update in FCP (or vise versa). Plus, it can to b-spline (natural) curve masks (something after effects is STILL lacking). And at 300 bucks (less for academic), I think the price will be right. With all of apple's motion graphics apps, they are putting together an pretty sweet package. Yeah, I'm biased. But for those who already run FCP and plan to upgrade to FCP HD (free for FCP4 users), Motion could be a great tool.

Awesome. I've been waiting for something like this.

Looks cool. Does this mean I don't have to try to learn Adobe After Effects anymore?
-= D By the way, thanks for the heads up on the FCP HD upgrade, not that I work in HD or anything, but it's great to know I have the capability, haha.

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Originally posted by LiQuId:
thanks for the heads up on the FCP HD upgrade, not that I work in HD or anything, but it's great to know I have the capability.

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actually, FCP is, and always has been resolution independent. You could theoretically edit HD in version 1. FCP HD is really just v4.5 (and a marketing ploy). Although they did include more tools for editing HD like realtime HD effects.

hmm... i don't think i can resist buying motion (it comes with compressor too!) when i finaly make the leap from OS9.2 this summer.

i guess i could use it even though i have FCP3. i just wouldn't be able to get them to comunicate, right?

I went to a preview of Motion today. If you have the right hardware, it is incredible. We were working in 720p high definition in the new mpg-4 codec announced at NAB. We had about 8 layers, and the timeline was looping over and over again. And EVERYTHING was being updated in real time (as it looped). All filters, motion controls, keyframes, actions, and the particle system.

The app is very dependent on the hardware, so to get most of the RT capabilities, you need a G5 and a ATI 9600(or better) card. But wow, for what it was, it was very cool. It won't replace AE or shake or any other hard core compositor, though.

It's now shipping. I'm interested in comments from people that are adapting it for their workflow.

I needed something like this yesterday when I edited a mock karaoke video with a bouncing ball above the words. It took forever to get the timing right (with the right amount of bounce and keep the the speed relatively linear). I know if I could animate it as it loops (like you can with motion), it would have saved at least an hour of tinkering.

yeah seems pretty cool...
but no way in hell is it replacing After Effects...

isn't the EDU discount on FCP, DVD-SP AND Motion all together like $500? i can't stand it! i want them now!

I know that for just FCP the academic price was 300, and I just got it last month. I don't know what it would be for the whole thing. Or what it would be just for the individual Motion. I know I'll definitely be getting it though.

My God. I love the templates, they just took the once kinda cool menus from popular DVDs and just totally made it their own. That's hilarious, now we're going to have to be even more creative when we do reels or what not and then hopefully we can be ripped off on the next Motion upgrade.
Now if I'm so out of the loop and After Effects have had these same kind of templates, I apologize, but it's eerie to see so many people's different works boiled down to be used for some dude's vacation video or some yuppie's wedding video.

-Elliott

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yeah seems pretty cool...
but no way in hell is it replacing After Effects...

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I don't know, man. People said the same thing about Premiere when FCP first came out...

give it a few versions... let some clever 3rd party programers write add-ons, wait for apple to adopt the features... it could start making AE very nervous

btw, dosn't it seem like apple has it out for adobe? FCP, Preview and Save to PDF, Motion

a guy at the apple store said adobe was mad and thats why PS for X took so long.

I think motion is very different than after effects. yes, they're both compositors, but their workflows are so different that they probably will be used for very different purposes. That's like saying

I actually spoke with an adobe rep and they said they (offically) don't feel threatened by apple's line of products. (sort of the another tool in the tool bag logic).

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Originally posted by joren:
I actually spoke with an adobe rep and they said they (offically) don't feel threatened by apple's line of products. (sort of the another tool in the tool bag logic).

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They don't feel threatened? So why did they abruptly discontinue Premiere for Mac as soon as FCP 4 was on the market? Why are they making PC-only applications modeled after Apple's popular iApps (iPhoto, etc)?

I smell BS on that rep's breath.

I agree with you. But the rep said that Premiere pro (the latest version) was completely rewritten from the ground up and porting it to mac would have taken much longer and more resources than just porting an incremental version of their old code. She spun it that they may still port it to mac, but because they're mac customer base is small compared to their pc counterparts, they wanted to focus all their resources towards premiere for pcs. bullsnot? maybe. but didn't adobe send a rep to speak at wwdc? That doesn't sound like a scenario where mom and dad are fighting.

whatever....
premiere pro was made to compete with FCP...
to be honest, i hate premiere..premiere pro..etc.

im an avid man,
and always will be

however... i am impressed with after effects, photoshop, and illustrator...

and yeah, i think there will be a war between apple and adobe... nothing big now... but watch....
the next "logical" step... is for apple to create something that rivals photoshop...

(and yes, apple will win )

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