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Originally posted by DrMagnificent:
So just for the record, you guys are ok with your tax dollars funding genocide?

Well if you filled up your tank with gas this week, you made the Saudi family a little richer, thus doing your part to further and support the cause of terrorism. So unless I am mistaken about your stance, you are okay with walking or bicycling everywhere for the next 10 years until the US is completely fuel independent?

Did you read Paul's response? To say he supports genocide is flat out ridiculous...and if thats the best dirt you can get on him, I would feel pretty strongly about my candidate choice.

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Until we're independent of oil, then we don't have much choice than to buy foreign oil. There's no reason to be giving money to companies involved in the Darfur genocide. I don't believe the passing of this bill has dismantled our modes of transportation. Your point is irrelevent.

And if that isn't enough, how about his racist comments from the Ron Paul Survival Report. http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/vol16/issue9/pols.paul.side.html

Or his crazy immigration policy that involves amending the constitution to end birthright citizenship.

Whatever, I'm done trying to convince you that your libertarian poster boy is a nutcase. If you want to vote for a guy who wants to bring back the gold standard and privatize the FDA be my guest.

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Originally posted by DrMagnificent:
Whatever, I'm done trying to convince you that your libertarian poster boy is a nutcase.

Its very sad that people who are fundamental Constitutionalists are considered nutjobs in todays world...by calling Ron Paul an idiot you are basically laughing in the faces of Washington and Jefferson and all the people who actually were able to manage our country effectively. Dr. Paul's views are pretty much identical to theirs.

But I can understand how you would rather vote for a candidate who wants to solve all problems by immediately handing them over to the government to work out..I mean the Feds are doing such a great job managing our public school system (just look at the AMAZING graduation rates and standardized test scores!) and social security even border-immigrant control...wow its almost like that classic story of King Midas and the golden touch! Every program the government takes control of is immensely succesful and golden!

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Look, I'll start out by saying that Paul is actually my current choice candidate (but Mike Gravel, his seemingly democrat counterpart, might edge him out if I actually read his stances on things.) I'd like to believe that Ron Paul's fantasy America, despite how scary some points of it are, would be the kick in the ass the entire world needs at the moment.

My biggest problem with it all, however, are his traditional republican views. I'm a pessimist where humanity is concerned, and in that sense I don't trust big corporations to make the right choices and act kindly, nor, do I trust consumers to stand up and use their power for good. I especially have trouble believing in those things when society as a whole has been conditioned to make the wrong choices for the last few decades. Now, with that you may ask yourself, if you care enough, why would I trust the government any more than? Well, honestly the government hasn't been much more trustworthy for the past seven (or so, but I was a Clinton fan at least) years. Still, I'm more confident in electing someone to be in charge rather than believing in someone who merely had the money to say that they were.

All that aside, what we really need is a reboot and reformatting. Then, we might actually make some progress to a decent world.

Oh, and I totally believe the gold standard would be infinitely better than the oil standard we have now.

elliott (otiose)...

Very good posts the both of you!

DrMagnificient, people may be more apt to liten to your opinion if you weren't so belligerent. That's a lesson I had to learn. Beleive me, there are quite a few people on these forums that could attest to my rude behavior long ago. I find if you remain calm and present evidence rather then make claims people are more apt to consider your opinion.

Anyways, I know this was said a lot last election, but I think that this election REALLY is the pivotal point of history. The president we choose is going to have a huge effect and it really is time for a change. After researching Ron Paul a little bit, he may be my choice (if he makes it that far). I hate it when it gets down to the last two candidates because you know they have been bought and paid for by their respective parties.

Okay, who let Leni Reisenthal on this forum?!

You all sound like a bunch of 5 year olds.
Like I said, this has nothing to do with film in any way.
So please take your political bickering somewhere else.

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Originally posted by Kat333:
Like I said, this has nothing to do with film in any way.
So please take your political bickering somewhere else.

Well it is the off-topic thread...so Im pretty sure anything goes.
And its a good way to raise awareness on a small level...

Ron Paul and libertarianism do sound real nice when compared to the ideals of the founding fathers...until you take into consideration the fact that 1776 was an agricultural society. We now live in a Post-Industrial, globalized economy. I mean you do realize there's a good reason we have government regulation on business. Do you want to go back to how it was before the Progressive Era?

No one is saying that the government does a perfect job at everything. But to turn around and say that the solution to everything is privitization is absurd. I think the problem with the libertarian thought process is that every kind of policy, idea, or piece of legislation is divided into more government or less government, less government unconditionally being the preferable choice.

You also have to take into consideration that the reason the government is so inefficient is that we've been through 7 years of one of the worst administrations in history.

edit: And if you guys are still hung up on the Darfur thing, think of it this way. The law is a perfectly free market, yes that's right FREE MARKET, solution to the problem. In the free market, the method of discouraging unethical business practices is to not do business/buy from a corrupt corporation. Corrupt businesses are facilitating the Darfur genocide. The free market solution is to drop out, or divest from, contracts with said corporations. That's how it works, and libertarian thought supports this. But since Ron Paul, libertarian freedom fighter, opposes it you're compelled to as well.