wow, it's only episode two and it's already the most annoying thing ever.

this guy wants his whole family to be the ones that help him make the movie instead of any actors or anybody else he doesn't know.

and if they're not someone he doesn't know, he just gives up and says "i'm not a fighter, and this isn't my movie anymore because no one wants to listem to me"

holy hannah. is he annoying.

he's sitting there with the CASTING director and the associate producers or whoever they are, and he's ARGUING with them on why five of his family members should be the MAIN actors in this movie, regardless of all the other actors that auditioned, because he doesn't feel comfortable with anyone else.

holy jesus, i'm so mad.

well, it is a horror flick, and his father is a cult actor in horror movies (Return of the Living Dead.) However, I do see no reason to cast anyone else from his family in it. ****, his dad should just have a cameo or something.

I'm surprised they're doing PG3, after the (in my opinion) crap that the last two spawned. I like horror, but this will be no different.

I totally agree with both of you. I just recently got into watching project greenlight and I saw the first season and now I'm watching the new season and the second season and let me just say for the record how pissed I am at how they picked the winners for this season. Wait a minute, let me get on my soapbox. Also, how much more disorganized can these people get. They really need to stop babying this new director and get somebody in there who can give some intelligent input and has some guts. It's gotten ridiculous.
Some friends of mine think Damon and Affleck purposely chose the director to sabotage the film because they hated the script so much. I don't know what I think about that theory yet. Anyway, I'm generally annoyed with seeing the winners in this show complain and whine after they receive a chance of a lifetime. Give me a break. Oh and I definitely agree with the comments posted about how he only wants to put his family in the film. How professional is that? But, with all that said... can't wait to see the next episode. I'm a sucker for punishment.

first season was the best, and I like your theory Gloria. The guy needs to stop whining and start collaborating. What an ungrateful bastard.

sorry but..you people are wrong..they picked the right scriptt...it will easily make a profit...they picked the right director...yea hes weird..but hes also an amazing director..and look on www.imdb.comthe only family member who ends up in the movie is his father. And they got jason mewes in it.and remember these shows do NOT show everything. They LOVE drama

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anyone else catch Henry Rollins in the casting montage?

honeslty, they pick someone who is pretty good and pretty weird, just so they have a show.

picking someone like Spike Lee or Martin Scorsese out of filmschool would be a bit too easy and not as annoying, and annoying=ratings.

these writers seems to have it a bit more together than the last girl and the writer/director.

the guy with black hair and white beard seems to know what he's doing. hopefully he'll keep things in check liket he red-haired guy in the first season.

i'm not watching the show, but I'm trying to keep up with things.

the movie sounds like it could be a fun little romp. his father was a pretty good character actor, I liked him in Return of the Living Dead. he was really over the top, and it worked.

The cast for the movie doesn't look too bad, Navi Rawat, Henry Rollins, Duane Whitaker, and Balthazar Getty.

If anything, it might be better than the other two, but for some reason I still have a feeling it won't be up to my standards (much like the movies produced from the last two seasons.) Who knows, maybe I'm completely off on this one.

It just seems like they're more interested in making good television than they are in making good films. I guess tv ratings are more of a sure thing. It would be great of they could pull off both one day. One thing that I have to say that I love about the show is the amount of confidence it restores in me. Whenever I get nervous about starting my career as a filmmaker I just think of the stupid crap that happens on Greenlight and say to myself I'm not that dumb and I couldn't possibly screw up that much. But then again that's also because I have a couple of trusty secret weapons, a whole lotta guts and a ton of sticky notes.

u ppl dont get it...yeah they want ratings..the more ppl who watch the show...the more who will see the movie..it has nothing to do with the director and script being picked...they just film everything..and use the drama in the show...Every movie will have drama behind the scenes. Even the Godfather...Ford Coppola was minutes away from being fired..because he wanted to cast Al Pachino..who the studio called the small guy who couldnt act. He olnly ended up creating the best charater in the history of cinema..so no matter what there will be drama.

did anyone see the films gullager and his dad made, i want to see them.

his father was also in The Last Picture Show

I understand there's gonna be "drama" behind the scenes. There's drama in everything. My point is that some of the things they go through could be avoided. A lot of the problems that come up seem to be created just by lack of organization. That's all I'm saying. I don't expect everything to always run smoothly but most of the time it seems like they're just shooting themselves in the foot with certain decisions they make or don't make. Oh and in reference to comparing the Godfather to this, give me a break. No offense, but you can't even begin to put "Feast" in the same realm as "The Godfather," even when it comes down to the "drama" behind the scenes. Something tells me Coppola's drama was grounded on a bit more vision and insight as compared to the drama Gullager has created by not having much of a vision at all. Oops, sorry, he has had one vision for the film ... to cast his friends and entire family in almost every role.

none of the decisions were made to increase ratings.

yes, things may have been exaggerated using editing, but their goal is still to make money off the film. the small group of amateur filmmakers who will watch this show are not going to make damon, affleck, craven, and the others much richer. the goal of the project is still to produce a good film that earns a profit.

also, damon did not want gulager because of ratings or because he hated feast. those who chose gulager said they chose him because he had THE BEST SHORT FILMS. he was chosen based on his talent, and if you watch those shorts, he definitely proves his worthiness with them.

i think gulager has some problems, but he was chosen legitamately. actually, i think it's GREAT that gulager was chosen. why? because you saw for yourself - gulager was the worst salesman, but the best filmmaker. it makes me happy to see that someone was chosen on talent, not on their sales pitch and personality.

feast may or may not have been the best screenplay. dimension thinks it will earn them the most money, and you can't blame them for wanting that to happen, since they are indeed a movie studio, and since the past 2 seasons produced films that didn't earn any real money.

gulager has some issues. i think the deal with him wanting to cast his family is understandable. i don't think he SHOULD cast them all, but i think he should have the chance to let them read, and should cast them if they are truly the best choice. yes, he shouldn't be so stubborn.

but this crap some of you guys about him being "ungrateful" and stuff... it's just that - crap. you think the guy should bow down for winning the competition? the competition is just the start of the fight. i don't know about you guys, but MY goal isn't just to make it into some aspect of hollywood - it's to make a film, how i want, the way i want it. there's no reason we should expect gulager to bow down to everyone. he's the director, he SHOULD have control over his film, and if any of us were chosen as a director for a hollywood project, i'm sure you'd feel the same way. once you get there, rolling over and playing dead is not the way you're going to get things done for yourself.

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u ppl dont get it...yeah they want ratings..the more ppl who watch the show...the more who will see the movie..it has nothing to do with the director and script being picked...they just film everything..and use the drama in the show...Every movie will have drama behind the scenes. Even the Godfather...Ford Coppola was minutes away from being fired..because he wanted to cast Al Pachino..who the studio called the small guy who couldnt act. He olnly ended up creating the best charater in the history of cinema..so no matter what there will be drama.

this producer i know explained it best, and he said it doesn't matter whether someone goes to see the movie or not because:

Miramax is actually selling the show, so HBO and Bravo paid THEM to make the show, not the other way around. So without filming anything, they already have made some money.

Next they spend money on putting the show together, and they spend 1-2 million dollars on the movie.

But see, HBO is a paid service, and so people have to pay to watch the show, regardless of ratings, so automatically, they make their money back from HBO by charging them for the the million and HBO charging it's clients for subscriptions.

So even if the movie COMPLETELY fails, Miramax doesn't loose any money, and the show creates a lot of buzz and ratings. (and this is true becasue both movies have been failures, and yet the show continues to keep going)

In TV-Land, buzz + ratings = more money. So they can now charge not only HBO, but OTHER networks want them to bring the show to their channel, and so now they pick whatever they want.

Project Greenlight 3 already had a television audience: the people that saw the first two, plus every wanna-be filmmaker in America.

So now they decide to move from HBO to Bravo, a network that shows advertisments. The ratings are already guaranteed for the third season, so what does Bravo do? Raise the price of advertising during the airing of Project Greenlight, which helps to pay for the million dollars that Miramax is charging them, not to mention whatever other deals Miramax has with Bravo.

And so at the end of the day, even if they decide not to release the movie, Miramax has made all it's money and not lost anything.

Any money made by the movie is just icing on the cake, and on top of that, if the movie is actually good and they find new talent, DOUBLE BULLSEYE.


but that's just IF. the most important part is getting ratings to charge advertisers more money (hence why the superbowl is so expensive, GUARANTEED AUDIENCE, just like project greenlight).

annoying = ratings = money

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i don't know about you guys, but MY goal isn't just to make it into some aspect of hollywood - it's to make a film, how i want, the way i want it. there's no reason we should expect gulager to bow down to everyone. he's the director, he SHOULD have control over his film, and if any of us were chosen as a director for a hollywood project, i'm sure you'd feel the same way. once you get there, rolling over and playing dead is not the way you're going to get things done for yourself.

but that's not the way it works. Spielberg, Hitchcock, Kubrick, and other HUGE directors have written endlessly about how they always had to keep the studio happy and had to comprimise to get things done.

Kubrick has a bigger reputatio than the other two for being a complete jerk when it came to being told what to do, but if you read his bios/friends memoirs, he actually would have to appease the studios quite a bit, and he knew that and did so.

you have to understand, Gulager doesn't get final cut, he doesn't get to choose the final rating, and he doesn't get to choose distribution. so all this fuss about making your film is moot when the producers create the final cut, the MPAA tells them to cut things out, and Miramax decides where to distribute it anyway.

one actor is as good as the next in this kind of movie and with these kinds of actors. Gulagerr should much more be worrying about the script and how to improve that.

just so you all know...Wildcard..and Hanz Gubenstein have been optioned. and This weekes episode has been reported tat..John Gulager will break out of his shell and start communicating. AND the release date is Nov. 16...which is a good thing.

Ok...I just watched this show for the first time this weekend thanks to Tivo...

OMG it is so hilarious - and painful. I'm shaking my head at this guy all the time.

I hope Chris Moore fires him. He's mad as hell and he's not going to take it anymore. It's great TV that's for sure.

Best line ever: "you're sitting next to the king of horror and he's telling you it sucks"


-Chris
Studentfilms.com

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I'm Rooting for Gulager. I relate to him on some odd level, this is a guy who has been involved in film his whole life. His father, and his mother are both brilliant actors. They raised their children to appreciate film and creativity, but its painfully obvious that Clu Gulager sheltered his brood from the bureacrats, and vipers that inhabit the motion picture industry. His problems with human interaction, and vocalizing ideas also lead me to suspect that the Gulager kids were homeschooled. I'm sure if John Gulager were working with reasonable people, and not these dispicable cretins (Michelle Gertz, casting director from hell, Chris Moore, the two-faced power hungry hillbilly) I wouldnt find his disfunction so endearing, but i find him the least irritating out of the bunch, and i wish him well. I sincerely hope a few directors or producers in the industry share my point of view, and deny Michelle Gertz any future of a Career. She has to be one of the most evil and disrespectfull people I've ever seen in reality television. If Gulager had been allowed to use his family members in the movie, they wouldnt of had to waste all that money on b-list engenues.

Wow, that was the most abrupt ending to a series that I've ever seen. Too bad Bravo only ordered 9 episodes; the contest ended up going longer than the series was planned to go for.

According to Chris Moore, this was the last season of Greenlight. That's too bad, but I suppose it's how the cookie crumbles.