OK! WHAT IS WITH THIS SUDDEN BOOM OF COMPOSERS ON THIS FORUM!!!!

I am making a post... (this one) for all of you "composers" to put your "work wanted" posts (the last freaking 200 posts) in this post. This way all of the other posts can stay on the front page longer, without being swept through by these one post pages!!!!

So without further ado, all you 'composers', post away!!!

"This is your life, and it's ending one minute at a time"

Actually.... I would like to talk to a composer on AIM... if they have it... Please IM me on DSJ8000 if you are interested in some work.

I added you to my buddylist.

Also, I find this topic a bit dull.

If you need music, email or message me on AIM.

CBlockDis, this topic is not dull. It is very important. I absolutely agree with JASONvb, because it seems that in the last 48 hours, there has been a sudden rush of advertising for composers. The way I see it, if someone needs a composer for their film, they can post a topic with their needs.

Thank you Jay888 for not advertising. He is cool. And so are all the others, but just don't fill our message boards with pointless posts.

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I agree. It's great that there are so many budding composers out here. I'm a composer myself, and I want the work as much as anyone. But let's have some dignity and let them ask for our services, not beg for work.

Actually I did advertise. So you may want to retract your statement.

It's a tough call, because where I work you have to open your mouth or someone else will. You run the risk of loosing the job for being "polite". You can't be shy and be a successful composer.

I'm more so looking for paying gigs (unless I feel it's an awesome story with a chance of distribution etc., then I'd do it for next to nothing) so this probably wasn't the right place for me to post. Over time I realized that many of you don't have much ,if any, money to spend on music so I toned it down. I then took on the role of "question answerer", answering the question I know the answer to, or just trying to give some insight that some may not otherwise get . Or perhaps I'm here just to motivate!


I actually think it's good that there are many composer posting here. It gives many more people the opportunity to use original music, which in turn is just another part of learning what it takes to make these films. I've said it before that I don't like to hear canned music in low/no budget (or student) films. Especially when there are so many composers/musicians available to do music for you... and often times for free.


It's a win win! Try not to bite the hand that feeds....


You can always bump your topic to the top.


Jay

Actually, I like the competition. I don't mind helping out other composers, and giving advice, but when it comes to something like advertising, you should get used to holding your own.

If you need music, email or message me on AIM.

Jay's right, too. There is a fine line between honest self-promotion, which is a good and healthy thing, and whining and wheedling, which is not. The composing business has exploded in the last decade, mostly due to the quality and general affordability of computers and recording programs. For a $1000 dollars you can have a "studio" that allows you to do reasonable work. Import a quicktime film and wala! you're a composer.
So there's a billion kids with cubase and their dad's computer and the market is overrun by "composers." Some can deliver the goods; most can't. The risk we run, though, by constantly and aggressively self-promoting is that we lower the bar, so to speak. Jay888, who is a good composer by the way, has spent a lot of time and money developing his studio and his craft. He delivers a good product, and he deserves and expects (and needs, quite honestly) to be paid for it. Now, no one expects much (if any) money from a student film. That's fine. There are plenty of composers willing to work for free. That's great. But unfortunately, this mentality of "well, other composers work for free, so why won't you" is not limited to this forum. In the professional world, rates have stayed the same for years, and in some instances are going down. The reason is that there are so many wanna-be composers willing to work for cheap, or even free. We're talking about Indie films, Network TV, video game companies. There are even cases of composers offering to front the money for the recording, just to get the gig. Again, we're talking about producers with real money, and composers are "paying to play" so to speak. Most feature film composers get about 3-4 weeks to write and record the entire score. The guy who did Tomb Raider had, if I'm not mistaken, 10 days. That's insane. And, like I said, pay is going down. In the student world, I'm all for working for free. But it's getting harder and harder to make a living as a composer, because everywhere you look someone is willing to do it for less.
Directors and producers, ask yourselves: can I budget some money for music? Honestly, even if you only pay 20 bucks, it still says to the composer "I value your time and your ability." Composers, don't sell yourselves short. Yes, there is a time to work for free. I've done it, and will, on occasion, continue to do it. But we need to be careful not to set the standard too low. Like I said, there's a fine line. Let's be careful, or we'll have nothing at the end of the day.

I made a long speach in response to what you said, but the cable company's server is being a little laggy lately, and shut down right before I finished.

Anyway, to sum it up...

At this point in time, I don't believe in writing music for money. I have my intentions of selling sheet music of a few of my piano songs, but I'd like to finish a few more first, and possibly release a CD.

As far as movies at this site are concerned, I don't think any composer should be paid. These films won't make money, so neither should the composer. If you want money for composing music, then you shouldn't be composing for amature films.

I personally don't care how long I have to go before I am being paid for music, because right now, I find more joy knowing people like my music, and want more, than to be paid for it. I've spent alot of money on instruments and audio equipment, in excess of 10 thousand dollars, and I still don't expect to be paid for composing yet. I am nobody as far as music is concerned, because only about 50-100 people have heard my music.

I actually worded all that completely different earlier, but...**plots to rip cable modem out of the computer.**

And no, for those that think so, I am not rich, and in fact, am 2-3 thousand dollars in debt, and jobless.

If you need music, email or message me on AIM.

Well, the only thing that I ask is that I keep the rights to my music (if it is non-paying) and recieve royalties if the film is ever sold or whatever (which BMI takes care of for me). If someone was to offer me some money for scoring, I would put it into the score and not into my own pocket. Delievering the best score that I possibly can is the most important to me.

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Delievering the best score that I possibly can is the most important to me.

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Amen to that.

If you need music, email(CBlockDis@aol.com) or message me on AIM(CBlockDis)