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Does anyone know where I can get Star Wars Theme music that was not done by John Williams? Or is there a composer willing to produce the music for me? (Please, no midi music) It's for the Star Wars Fan Film contest.... thanks

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Kazaa

Don't let it confuse you, it's easy to use. Takes like 5 minutes to set up and you'll have your song in a few minutes.

 
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Hi,

Please email me so I can give you more info about my music.
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Does anyone know where I can get Star Wars Theme music that was not done by John Williams?


London Symphony Orchestra!!

Like 12 and 2/3 times better then John Williams.

 
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Kyuzo,

How could the London Symphony Orchestra's version of the Star Wars theme be better than John Williams? He CONDUCTED the LSO doing the Star Wars theme!
 
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Errrr--

Didn't know that. I just heard some songs (Final Countdown, Smooth Criminal, James Bond Theme) that were redone by lso and among them were several star wars themes. They sound better then the original themes...

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Like 12 and 2/3 times better then John Williams.


Haha Big Grin

 
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Originally posted by nerrazzi:
Does anyone know where I can get Star Wars Theme music that was not done by John Williams? Or is there a composer willing to produce the music for me? (Please, no midi music) It's for the Star Wars Fan Film contest.... thanks

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Do you have any idea what that would COST? I'll tell you.... around $10,000 "PER DAY" to record. No one is gonna do that for you.....

Essentially you are asking some composer to give you an enormous amount of money... And by the way, you still have to license the music, it's not free.


Your question is a little bit like asking if someone has some "35 mm film" you can use to shoot a f eature because "I don't like the look of video". Sometimes, actually most of the time, you work with what you can get. And you have to also be realistic.


90 % of indie "FEATURES" are done with midi (i.e. Samples & sequencers), and much of the time it is indistinguishable from the "real thing". That is if you "hire" someone who has the right tools for the job. But it's gonna cost you If the sound you want is "real", even though it's sampled.


*Work with people that are on "your" level. You get to use a "real" orchestra when you've earned it. Meaning; when you can afford it. It's your job as a film maker to raise the money to pay the composer so he/she can then pay for an orchestra, studio time, engineers, mix, etc...



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Uhhh, if you don't want john williams and i guess lso is out so maybe a techno remix? Big Grin

 
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First of all, I'd like to thank everyone who responded constructively to my post.

Jay888 I'm not asking for or expecting anyone to deliver a $10k per day solution to my request. If I were, I wouldn't be posting here in the studentfilms forum. Another thing, what exactly do you mean, "your level"? Do you do a lot of assuming and stereotyping? I don't expect anything perfect in comparision to the work of John Williams, but not looking for anything as bad as straight midi-music. If you don't know what that sounds like, should you be replying to this post? In a nutshell, it sounds like trying to perform as an orchestra would only using a $69 radio shack keyboard. I have found a composer to produce the music I'm looking for and his work sounds exceptional.

Thanks again to all constructive posts.

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Well...

I'm not trying to be a dick, but it just astounds me that so many young film makers have no clue when it comes to the music (as well as SFX, ADR, Location Sound, etc...) Many directors have a great relationship with usually one composer that is there go to guy. And many at least have a basic knowledge of what is going on sound-wise.


Your question does the assuming for me. The fact that you've never heard a good midi mock up (which many people use as the "final" in the Indie world) is enough to show "me" that you haven't dealt with many composers.


"Your Level" means "Your Level".....

If you've found a composer that is willing to take on the burden of financing a huge live orchestral recording session that's great, "for you"... it does nothing for the composer (especially for what it's for). The STAR WARS score is about as epic as you can get (i.e. Extremely expensive to record). It is pretty ridiculous to "want" a full orchestra to record pieces for a no budget student film contest th at doesn't have a chance for distribution (and absolutely no money for the composer, ever). Can you see how that might come across as very presumptuous to be asking for live orchestration... w/no pay and no distribution.



You might want to look int o what is currently going on in the composing world. No one is using a $69 keyboard. Many people including myself have composing studios that are closer to $100,000 or more. The only thing in my studio that was around $69 is a mouse (I have 3... as well a s 5 computers, etc. etc.).


***Here's a simple test: Tell me how both of these cues (below) were done.



CLICK FOR CUE #1

CL ICK FOR CUE #2



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Who said anything about a full orchestra? I never asked for "Live Orchestration". Ah... assumption... brilliant J, brilliant....

"Many people including myself have composing studios that are closer to $100,000 or more."

...and you're dilly dallying around with us young, inexperienced filmmakers? What kind of sense...

Newsflash J, this is www.studentfilms.com, keyword: STUDENTFILMS! Talk about assumption... How many students out there or just low-budget filmmakers have a $100,000 studio like our rich friend J here? I've got it, we'll take a poll. Now, you don't have to have a $100,000 studio already like J does, you can still qualify if it's in layaway.


I'll tell you what doesn't make sense, your 5 computers and 3 mice!

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Who said anything about a full orchestra? I never asked for "Live Orchestration". Ah... assumption... brilliant J, brilliant....


What else is there? It's "LIVE" or it's "MIDI", that's it. I'm guessing you aren't following what I'm saying, judging by your answers. I'll chalk it up as "you didn't know what it was you were asking of a composer"... so I apologize for jumping on you, I thought you understood what it was you were asking. If you say you don't want "midi mu sic" this means you are asking for a "live recording". As I explained earlier, live orchestral recordings are usually more expensive than most low budget productions can afford. Many 6 figure productions can't afford "live orchestration". This, the reaso n why much of it is midi. BTW... Midi doesn't mean bad, it also doesn't mean "cheesy sounding" (that is, if it's a good composer with the tools necessary), it also doesn't mean an inexpensive set-up, as I described my studio.

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"Many people includin g myself have composing studios that are closer to $100,000 or mo re." ...and you're dilly dallying around with us young, inexperienced filmmakers? What kind of sense...



Actually when I found this site a while back I didn't realize how young th is forum was, oh well. Since then I just stop by to answer questions that I am able. Why? Why not. But I also point out places where young film makers are getting ahead of themselves.


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How many students out there or just low-budget film makers ha ve a $100,000 studio like our rich friend J here? I've got it, we'll take a poll. Now, you don't have to have a $100,000 studio already like J does, you can still qualify if it's in layaway.


Sorry you lost me with that bit.


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I'll tel l yo u what doesn't make sense, your 5 computers and 3 mice!


You ever heard of a KVM switcher?


Jayyy›

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Why don't you do a little search of the web JJ for star wars midi music, listen to the samples some of these website have. They sound like everything I've been saying, yet do not want. Now if some talented composer can piece together a nice version of the Star Wars theme using some high-end sequencers and what not... GREAT... that's all I'm asking for. Not your biography or financial status information or even how wonderfully knowledgeable you are in the art of noise. 'cause frankly JJ, I don't really care. So do like you were doing before you tripped over us little guys, go play with your toys and toot your own horn someplace else.

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Personal attack, huh.... I'm crushed!

Glad I was able to give you the "what do you mean it's midi / how the hell is film music made" lesson...

You'll need to know that sh!t if you ever do an original film.

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Narrazzi, why are you calling him JJ first off? AND second...I don't see Jay blowing any horn, he seems to be answering questions to me.

If you want Star Wars music, head to Fred Myer and pick up a movie music sample CD, they sell them every where.

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Ok, I am going to come down on you both:

nerrazzi: You need to be more specific when you are asking for a composer. Also, don't ask a composer to redo something another composer has already done, because that is really hard on us. Personally, I wouldn't do that. Here is an idea: break the mold, try something different! Also, about the studios, we composers have to put alot of money into our studios, we can't give you a good score without doing so. Getting into film composing takes a hell of alot of effort (just like directing or anything else in film) and alot of money. Jay put more money into his than alot of us could, and he could probably deliver something that would blow your mind out of it. Remember, we are all trying to break into a field that is EXTREMLY hard to break into, so try to have respect for everyone who is doing it.

Jay: I think you already know that it was a big understanding, but if you don't, it was a big understanding. Go alittle easier on him man, he didn't really know what he was talking about. And damnit! Now I really want those Sonic Impant strings again!

There, I have said what I needed to say.

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Thanks dad...

"he didn't really know what he was talking about"

You're funny...

My main area of business is in 3d so I may not know ALL the in's and out's of composing music, BUT, I know what I like, I know what sounds good to me and what sounds like crap. Sure, I'd like to get hold of a symphony to score my next film but realistically, who am I kidding? Here's an example of midi music that sounds really bad. http://www.nerrazzi.com/main/id38.html

All I'm asking is, is there a "next level" a "middle ground" a "step up" a "next notch"...? something between this example and "that's better"? I don't have to go full blown conductor with 587 member ensemble. Imagine if I had written that... you could have a field day on just that topic alone.
Perhaps I should have been a bit more specific but the first few people have helped me out so much, I didn't see the need to ramble on about the details.

But wait...! here comes JJ with his stiff neck and etiquette for America's Young Filmmakers.

If after listening to the sample and determining that there is no "step up" from that without going overboard (meaning LIVE ORCHESTRA), well then okay, I'll go away having learned something.

I sure hope that's broke down enough for you....

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I'll chalk it up as "you didn't know what it was you were asking of a composer"... so I apologize for jumping on you, I thought you understood what it was you were asking.



Remember when I said that? That was an apology for jumping on yo u, was it not? Look dude, I "thought" you were being presumptuous, YOU WERE NOT, so I apologized... my bad! Yes I ass-u-me-d. I thought you were being little Mr. filmmaker wanting someone to deliver a live recording of a full orchestra for FREE (that's h ow it reads). Like I said you didn't really understand what you were saying, so you mistakenly said "NO MIDI", which could have read "GOOD MIDI". Like I explained earlier, it's either "live" or it's "midi". Did you listen to both of those cues? Those a re both examples of good midi by good composers.... with good tools.


Yes, there is a step up, but it's still "MIDI".... Believe me, many composers would like not to use midi because it's an old protocol, but there simply is nothing else at the moment as ide from a live recording.


Bro, accept the apology and move on. Meaning let it go... No need for personal attacks is there? Reread my previous post(s), no personal attacks just information.


James, yeah SI STRINGS are the sh!t!!!!! They have a light version for around $499 if the full version is a little too steep, right now. You can upgrade later if you want. The full version recently dropped in price from the $1,250 (I think) to around $950.... (if you didn't know) Wink

BTW... EWQLSO is about to be released. There is a "rough demo" on the site (I think?). The first library in "24 bit Surround" Big Grin. The price is pretty steep though.... 3 GRAND. You need some pretty kick ass computers to run it, which is kind of a drag, but I think the sound and spe ed at which one can work will make up for the price (everything is pre-paned in it's natural position and there is the sound of the real hall built into the samples... even Nick's rough demo is inspiring). I was quoted 20k for the top end system by the de signers of the libr ary. This is running it on 4 high end PC's, everything in real time. You could always render using one -- fast as hell -- computer, though. BTW.. there's not gonna be a Giga version, I'm told. (info in case you haven't been following this lib) Wink

Jay

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Apology accepted Jay888.

No, I'm not familiar with "music composer lingo" and do not desire to learn much more about it at that. In the future, however, I could post examples of what I'm trying to stay away from and what I'm looking more for. I understand what you mean "midi", if I didn't want midi the next logical thing would be produced by a Live Orchestra...(I meant bad sounding midi) don't think that's going to happen nor do I expect it to.

The sample I posted sounds, to me anyway, like it was made on a toy keyboard of some sort or something comsumer grade you could purchase at Best Buy for holiday entertaining, not from samples and sequencers which is what I would gladly accept. So if I mislead you with what appeared to a "free ride", then for that, I apologize. A composer has contacted me in regards to this post and has offered to score the music I need, for that I am grateful.

As for whether or not I'll make any money from this venture, the answer is clear to me even though it was not explained earlier. For those who are interested in knowing my point behind all this, and without getting another feud started, is this.

As I mentioned, I'm a 3d animator, it's what I do. I'm entering the Star wars Fan Film contest in an effort to drum up more business for myself CG wise. I could use the finished film as part of an online portfolio etc... I'm in the process of producing. I don't expect to make a dime off this movie in general sales terminaology, I'm not a crook I do understand what copyright infringment means. There is a Grand Prize of $2000 for the winning film so if I make any money from this film, that will be it. PERIOD

George Lucas apparently likes to see what Fans of his movies can make on a parody basis. He's even supplied some actual sound FX to help Fan Filmmakers along. So, there you go... the reason behind this post.

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...and yes, I did listen to those cues. I would more than settle for music that sounded like that Cool, not that garbage sample I'll end up taking off my site later on.

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