Breaking into Hollywood is very hard thing to do, as we all know. But is breaking into TV industry hard as well? What is more easy, become movie director o TV producer/director? And what usually is the very first job of every alumni in both TV and movie? PA?

I can't speak from experience but I would think that getting into TV is more difficult. There's not much of an independent route you can take, and television stations have a pretty clear idea of what kind of programming they want to air, giving you a fairly limited amount of creative freedom.

There is an independent route in terms of the fact that channels pick up shows which have already been created. 24 was created independently of Fox, and then bought.

Аnd what about commercial ads? They also can be included as TV aspect. I saw bios of many ad makers and almost all of them started their career before getting the age of 25. The difference is that filmmakers break in Hollywood or indie industry by teh age of 30. As we know, both Fincher and Lowrence started their career with making commercial ads and then successfuly became movie directors.

I think this is also very intersting way how to do that.

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Originally posted by DrMagnificent:
There's not much of an independent route you can take, and television stations have a pretty clear idea of what kind of programming they want to air, giving you a fairly limited amount of creative freedom.

If you get with a show early (check those crew call sites) on even if you have few connections, if you prove yourself valuable they'll want you around all the time.

I'm not sure if those numbers (ad directors start before 25, indie filmmakers break in by 30) are at all accurate. Everyone goes a different route. I know of a kid (used to be a member here) who's directing music videos for the Backstreet Boys at like, 19, or something.

Many top directors also do ads on the side, and never put their names on them. I think directing ads would be a sweet job in between real projects. They get paid a ton, too.

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Originally posted by titaniumdoughnut:
I'm not sure if those numbers (ad directors start before 25, indie filmmakers break in by 30) are at all accurate. Everyone goes a different route. I know of a kid (used to be a member here) who's directing music videos for the Backstreet Boys at like, 19, or something.

Many top directors also do ads on the side, and never put their names on them. I think directing ads would be a sweet job in between real projects. They get paid a ton, too.

Really? Do you know the avarage fee for making ad or music video? I have always been curious about it.

BTW, do visa holders have no problems with working for some movie or TV company? What you think about it?

I'm personally majoring in Studio TV as opposed to Film, why? Because I was rejected from film by Emerson. I loved that school so much that I picked their TV program over Syracuse's and Ithaca's film program, was it the right choice? Who knows, but I felt that TV at Emerson would give me the best chance of getting a job in the visual medium field.

I've HEARD that ad directors can get up to $25,000 per day. This may be completely untrue though...

I would imagine that if you have a work visa, you'd be fine. The industry is full of foreigners. Unions might cause trouble.

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Originally posted by funkylikemonkey:
I'm personally majoring in Studio TV as opposed to Film, why? Because I was rejected from film by Emerson. I loved that school so much that I picked their TV program over Syracuse's and Ithaca's film program, was it the right choice? Who knows, but I felt that TV at Emerson would give me the best chance of getting a job in the visual medium field.

So are applicants allowed to pick two choices?

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Originally posted by titaniumdoughnut:
I've HEARD that ad directors can get up to $25,000 per day. This may be completely untrue though...

I would imagine that if you have a work visa, you'd be fine. The industry is full of foreigners. Unions might cause trouble.

Sounds good, of course not so great like avarage fimmaker's fee, but still good.

I am glad to hear this, cause I was worried about this stuff.

I wonder how long is the process of making commercial ad or music video clip!

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Originally posted by funkylikemonkey:
I was rejected from film by Emerson. I loved that school so much that I picked their TV program over Syracuse's and Ithaca's film program

Wait... did they say, like "you're not cool enough for film, but you can be in the TV program?"

That's really strange. I would figure that they would value the two equally, and let you into both or none.

Anyway, good luck! Emerson's TV program is famous.

Personally I think that TV is moving towards being more web based anyway, so I would jump on producing TV content for the web. You can still get ahead of the trend by starting now. I think that anything on the tube will eventually be for live broadcast. You will start seeing people mimic the I-TV in years to come and it will be more profitable for studios to make content you can buy immediately then to show weekly and find a lot of advertisers. I dunno, just what I think, but the signs are evident with youtube, ngtv, itunes and all these other web content sources popping up everywhere.

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Wait... did they say, like "you're not cool enough for film, but you can be in the TV program?"

That's really strange. I would figure that they would value the two equally, and let you into both or none.

Anyway, good luck! Emerson's TV program is famous.

I applied for film as my first major with film as my secondary. They said due to increasing enrollment they couldn't accept me to the film program, but would like for me to consider their TV program.

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Wait... did they say, like "you're not cool enough for film, but you can be in the TV program?"

That's really strange. I would figure that they would value the two equally, and let you into both or none.

Anyway, good luck! Emerson's TV program is famous.

I applied for film as my first major with film as my secondary. They said due to increasing enrollment they couldn't accept me to the film program, but would like for me to consider their TV program.

So you applied for film two times?

Ah that makes much more sense.

No, just once. I applied Early Action last fall and wasn't rejected, but I was deferred so I kept sending some work and other recommendations and they accepted me this past April for TV not film.

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I've HEARD that ad directors can get up to $25,000 per day.

No no no. It works like this: If a director makes a McDonald's commercial, he gets free McDonald's for the rest of his life. I'm not sure if he gets a little card or if all McDonald's employees are trained to recognize his face... eh, details.

"This whole thing is just who knows who, and over here you have favoritism."

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Originally posted by Harris:

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I've HEARD that ad directors can get up to $25,000 per day.

No no no. It works like this: If a director makes a McDonald's commercial, he gets free McDonald's for the rest of his life. I'm not sure if he gets a little card or if all McDonald's employees are trained to recognize his face... eh, details.

"This whole thing is just who knows who, and over here you have favoritism."

And that's all? No money?

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No no no. It works like this: If a director makes a McDonald's commercial, he gets free McDonald's for the rest of his life. I'm not sure if he gets a little card or if all McDonald's employees are trained to recognize his face... eh, details.

HA HA HA HA...NICE!