I'm not sure that everyone wants to work in Hollywood. Plus the idea of those schools owning your films is to make "money". It's too bad that college is a big business, with Deans as C.E.Os.

Sure Hollywood helps fund your films, but what Hollywood Studio makes you pay(tuition at film schools) to make movies? You already have to give up so much money, it's almost a crime to take the only thing you have, which is ownership of your art.

"I don't have time for film school...I'm too busy making movies" lol

I'm not sure I understand you. I'm a little slow on the draw. You're saying colleges own a student's only art (meaning their student films)?

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i dont know what colleges do that but they should all be burned to the ground

NYU, UCLA, Vancouver Film School and many many more...Chapman University don't though.

"I don't have time for film school...I'm too busy making movies" lol

i am a little bit confused...you meant Chapman isn't so commercial? or .....?????????

I believe USC owns the rights to their student films too, I think.

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Originally posted by FANTAZMAGORIC:
i dont know what colleges do that but they should all be burned to the ground

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You better start burning down basically every reputable film school there is.

ok.......where should i start?

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Originally posted by FANTAZMAGORIC:
ok.......where should i start?

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Anyone that doesn't accept me.

Yeah, pretty much all film schools own the rights in one way, or another. Most will let you aquire the rights, (aka: buy the rights" My school owns the rights, technicaly, but have signed them over to me without any exchange of funds.
If you think about it, it makes sense. A financer would have certain controls over your film, as would a production company. These schools, essentially, produced your film, therefore the rights are theirs. Ask your department chair about it. Its really just a piece of paper, and a little persuation on your part keeping the rights from being yours.
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I own all the rights to the films I made in school. Had they provided insurence and decent production equipment I would've traded the rights in a flash. The schools that maintain rights typically provide superior equipment and support. Seeing as the purpose of school is to learn I don't see the big deal.

If you don't want to work in Hollywood or other industry type environment than none of the schools that maintain rights to work should appeal to you anyway.

Nota "Finds this easy to say as Cinematographers never own the rights to their work" Mono

I put a post up about this already but I'll say it again...Do you pay a studio to allow you to make a film? Then why should the school own your films? Some of those schools don't even give you money, just provide you with editing and maybe a few mics and sound booth. I don't know...I just know how those systems work and the "money" the "MONEY" is a big deal to them...

"I don't have time for film school...I'm too busy making movies" lol

Getcha: I understood that aspect of your argument, I just still disagree.

If any of these schools were turning a profit off of student work I would be right there with ya, but they don't. As far as a studio is concerned people are tools used to make a product. In the educational system, you are using the school as a tool to learn. It's all a matter of who's providing who with a service. So that begs the question "Why would a school even WANT to own the students work?" They don't later sell it and even if they wanted to, 99.99% of the stuff is un-marketable anyway. The way I see it there are quite a few reasons as to why they want to own these works. If they wanted to show it to students in the future, or have a school festival they don't want to pay royalties (Not an issue for in-class screenings because that falls under public domain, but promotional screenings for the school/department probablly wouldn't be exempt). I'm sure they wouldn't like people going to their institutes just for equipment access to make a commercial product either.

That said, I can understant why many artists feel it's more than a little important to own all of their own work. I still argue that people in those situations probablly wouldn't be interested in the USC's and NYU's anyway. Those are schools for people that want to make themselves marketable to studios later on. Grads of those schools would be the likely ones to be sheisters to the school about their student work if it weren't clearly spelled out that they belong to the school.

Nota "Reserves all rights to mid-name quotation marks" Mono

Great piece of mind. Although you're saying the schools don't make money off their student's films???? Um...check back on that one, you'd be very surprised. For a small example look at UCLA's archives, they have one of the biggest film libraries around, any time someone does a doc. a promo or any such thing on a grad from that school or on the school it's self they have to pay tons for those clips of student films or work. They are indeed out to make money or else they would not insist on owning your films. Another example, international film festivals and cash prizes...I don't need to explain that one.

"I don't have time for film school...I'm too busy making movies" lol

You don't hear flute students complaining that they are paying tuition when they can just start blowing into their flute and start selling CDs. I don't know, but I think education costs money. You see you are paying for education, studios don't educate you, most of the time you can't educate yourself, last time I checked schools do.

Like I don't really care if a school, a studio, or Jesus owns the films I make. As long as the Nazis don't own them, which is how you are making it seem. I'm cool with using the schools high priced equipment and facilities in exchange for simply getting their permission to use and enter my films in festivals (Which most schools WANT you and HELP you to do)

Okay...so what you're trying to tell me is I don't want Nazis to own my films and that film schools want to own my films because they want to help me out. And you praise "no" they don't want the ownership to make money off of you? Okay...where does the common scense come into all this?

"I don't have time for film school...I'm too busy making movies" lol

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Okay...so what you're trying to tell me is I don't want Nazis to own my films and that film schools want to own my films because they want to help me out. And you praise "no" they don't want the ownership to make money off of you? Okay...where does the common scense come into all this?

"I don't have time for film school...I'm too busy making movies" lol

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Well since I never said "film schools want to own your films to help you out" nor did I ever "praise, no they don't want the ownership to make money off of you" I guess common scense has gone out the window.

Here's where I'll help you understand. Since you seem confused. Schools owning your films is a small price to pay for using the schools equipment, facilities, and insurance. Also if you are someone who actually wants a job in film, it becomes an educational experience in that you will never own your films the studio will.

Next time you try to quote someone at least try to understand what they are saying.