Think about this though and try and see where I'm coming from with the story: On TV in America we hear the craziest things happening in the news. One poster in another thread said she saw a news report about a baby being stuffed in a suitcase while standing in line at Disney. There are news reports about moms drowning their kids... horrible stuff... and we hear it all the time. There's a whole thread devoted to it on this site! Is it that crazy to think twenty year olds would go to extremes to seize a lot of drugs if it meant they would make a lot cash? I don't think so. And, no, the film isn't a gloomy film about horrible things happening to horrible people.

id only name my movie "blowjob" if it was already done and i knew it sucked. but i guess you can name a movie beforehand if you know its gonna suck anyway

Nobody cares about the story, including you. You care about the title. The entire thread is about how much you love the title and where you got it from. Do you realize that?

Also, I don't think anyone has passed judgement on your film's story really. But you can't expect us to be blown away by a plot that doesn't sound terribly unique. In other words, get back to us when you have a video or trailer up.

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Is it that crazy to think twenty year olds would go to extremes to seize a lot of drugs if it meant they would make a lot cash? I don't think so. And, no, the film isn't a gloomy film about horrible things happening to horrible people.

I dont think its crazy that some people risk and ignore certain things in their lives for money. i know it always ends up gloomy and horrible cause thats where it always leads and there's no point in showing it anymore like "im gonna prove myself by stealing lots of money" 3 1/2 years ago i had the same idea but i called it "roaches" and it was losely based on dumb **** involving drugs and people getting ripped off..stupid things i had done and been around. when i started filming it i realized more and more it was a dumb idea and those dumb ideas can take over and destroy people and even tho i might not be dumb like the overexaggerated gangsters, i am just as much an ass or a gangster for addictions that still persist and control me, tho arnt adsactly "big money run downs" and these problems showed up very clearly to me and were even more stupid than the actual stupid script!

my movie ended up turning out to be more about groundhogs day and valentines day and the lack of Halloween. I named it Mountain Months cause mountains are high. (itll be done someday) s till baking..

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Originally posted by MarkChristmas:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Roy Hatts:
Nobody cares about the story, including you. You care about the title. The entire thread is about how much you love the title and where you got it from. Do you realize that?

Also, I don't think anyone has passed judgement on your film's story really. But you can't expect us to be blown away by a plot that doesn't sound terribly unique. In other words, get back to us when you have a video or trailer up.

I said the title inspired me. I wanted to make something that with an eye catching title with a unique plot. I expected a little more support from the studentfilms.com community with my film... so this is a little weird.

In response to what you said about no one passing judgement on my film, another poster said that my attempts to make a film called "Blow Job" was pathetic and immature.

I thought this forum was designed for people to post information about their film and what they are doing with it?

Welcome to a messageboard. People have opinions about what you post. We aren't all just going to blindly support and agree with you, or at least I won't.

We're essentially commenting on the meaning of a title, or the meanings of titles. If you wanted to talk about your film's substance you shouldn't have focused so much on the title, which is indeed provocative.

Also:

"I wanted to make something that with an eye catching title with a unique plot."

Honestly, I don't think you have either here. If you want to make a unique film, don't worry about the title or the plot. You have a set up that's been exploited a thousand times by young filmmakers. I know I've made tons of early stuff that exploited guns and violence, and none of it meant anything. You've essentially promised us a film that will deeply explore these characters and show us something we haven't seen before. Don't just give us another Requiem for a Dream knock-off, slap the title "Blowjob" on it, and think anyone will give a ****.

Too bad you haven't even seen my film yet... not every story has to begin the same way. I'm not disputing the opinion of anyone, I'm just doing what any filmmaker would do if a movie they were working on was be criticized in any way. You have to agree with me on that and I'm simply stating my opinion as well.

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Too bad you haven't even seen my film yet... not every story has to begin the same way

What? What are you referring to? I said your plot is very generic, but I'm not passing judgement on the content. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt in assuming you'll do something different, as you said. Jean-Luc Godard's films have simple, generic set-ups, but are anything but. I'm just saying don't fall into the same traps others have.

"I'm not disputing the opinion of anyone, I'm just doing what any filmmaker would do if a movie they were working on was be criticized in any way."

The problem is we don't know what the **** your movie is about. We aren't criticizing your film, that guy was throwing a personal attack at you that was sort of shallow. Then again, I think you're being shallow with the title, so whatever.

Seriously people why is it such a big deal what it's called? So what if he got inspiration and borrowed from it? At least he's actually making something unlike 90% of the people here. I'm pretty certain that the average person wouldn't even know Andy Warhol's movies, or wouldn't make that connection. I knew nothing about his movies, until I listened to David Bowie's song Andy Warhol a few times and looked him up on Wikipedia a week ago.

Well you have some good storytelling skills if I correctly remember your other film you posted here. So I'm sure you could tackle a project like this.

However, remember, when you make a film centered around cocaine and deviance called Blow Job, people are going to automatically put you side-to-side for comparison with a movie like Blow, which has Johnny Depp playing the lead.
So just by choosing to do this type of film you inherit a very high level of expectations. People are going to expect it to be as powerful, original, and beautiful as Requiem For A Dream, Trainspotting, Kids, or whatever. I believe I made a similar comment about your other film.


Maybe you should try filming a scene (from your script or outside of your script) that captures the feeling of the way you envision this whole thing turning out. Im not sure why people are trying to shoot you down...GO MAKE THIS.

Of course. Any mundane topic (like sex and violence are becoming) can be totally interesting if presented properly. An unmade bed can be a famous art exhibit. With trillions of movies about drug deals gone bad, it doesn't hurt to use a few tricks to get viewers in the door. I'd be curious about a film called Blow Job but I wouldn't let the title define my expectations. Anyway, given the buzz, we're all going to keep our eyes open for this one! (And having a name like Christmas doesn't hurt either.)

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Im not sure why people are trying to shoot you down...

My original intentions were not to come across as being harsh, or overly critical. I thought I made it pretty clear in my original post that it was constructive criticism, and nothing personal.

I enjoy this site, aside from the relentless film talks, because it seems to be a "personal-attack free zone". But one thing that I'm never going to go along with is stroking the ego of someone who wants kudos for essentially stealing somebody else's work, regardless of how insignificant that theft is. I bit my tongue on what I thought of the story, because basically this whole thing, from conception until now, has been about a boosted title, and not a story. I think it was a relevant point to make, because even though MOST may not catch on to it, some will. And if it were me, I would not want anything of mine being known as a fraud. It's an honest criticism that I think every artist should consider.

Aside from that, if someone doesn't want to be criticized then they shouldn't plaster their projects all over a site, or do anything in art for that matter. I'm never going to be ok with giving someone a high five for plagiarism.

I would hardly call it asking for you to "stroke my ego" and I'm not "looking for kudos." Who are you to saying anything about the story? I've given you few details and I did not shoot you down for constructive criticism, I simply argued my point as well which, like I said, any filmmaker would do.

Also, no, it's not stealing. Did you even read my response to what you said about me "stealing" the work? About Gus Van Sant's "Milk" and Andy Warhol's "Milk?" If not, go back one page and check that out, please.

As for me plastering my film all over this site, I was under the impression THAT WAS WHAT IT WAS FOR.

" How could I make a film with the same title, but not have it actually be about a blow job. "

You took a title that is in my opinion cheesy in its way of trying to grab people's attention and made up a cliche story about a drug deal which has been done to death.

Maybe its just me but I dont see what so great about a missleading title. Anyway I wish you luck with it.

The posters were nice.

My two cents:

I wouldn't say he's stealing just because the title is so vague and won't only refer back to Warhol's film. Second, the title INSPIRED him to come up with a COMPLETELY different story. If it was something similar, in that case, I'd see the sake of argument.

I'm sure there have been many filmmakers, musicians, and others who have been inspired by and used a same/similar title for a new concept or idea.

What do you think? Made it out of bordem.

Wow! I REALLY like that poster! The only thing is I would want to keep the word "Blow Job" as two seperate words. Other than that, I think it's fantastic! The coloring is beautiful and I like the large ammounts of white, as well as the porcelein appearance of the woman's skin. If you get ever get bored again, feel free to make more posters... you did a badass job!

I do agree that there are certain films that, if not dealt with maturity and honesty, can turn out to be complete and total disasters... I am looking to avoid that by tackling my film with a mature outlook.

As for everyone else, I guess you will just have to see the film and make your own assumptions from there. All I can say is I hope you enjoy it. I will keep updating this journal with info about the film... if anyone is interested in helping me with the project, let me know, I'd be more than happy to talk about it, as well as other films.

I did keep it as two separate words but I tried to move "blow" around to give it a different position. I guess I didn't notice it made it seem like it was one word though.

Sounds like an interesting project though, send me a PM - let's talk.

If that poster is all original work, good job!

May I ask what on earth is actually dripping from the lady's mouth?

Oh, no, it's not all original work. Sorry, since Mark made it clear he used Google, so did I. I wouldn't be able to make that in a few minutes time.

And, my guess is water. I hope...