IN REGARDS TO A POST THAT WAS DELETED.

Pyrotechnics and advice have no place on the site.

Exploding things has nothing to do with student filmmaking. Explosions on real film are done by pyrotechnic professionals (they studied chemistry and physics so they know EXACTLY what will happen and no one will get hurt) and there is a full team of paramedics and firemen on set.

I do not approve of people giving tips on explosives for student films. It will only result in people getting hurt.

A good film doesn't need explosives. If you really need and explosion - add in post.

But like I said - a good film doesn't need explosives. Just a good script.

Best Regards,
Chris Wright
Studentfilms.com

sorry, Chris. I did not consider the possible crazy person getting hold of that info.

My intention was to help people with the art of model work and destroying them for a realistic effect.

I will be more careful with my posts in the future that deal with explosives, poisons, or anything else that could be dangerous.

Again, it was not my intention for someone to possibly get hurt. (Hence my note before the tip, and the listing of safety precautions).

Again my apologies.

It has nothing to do with crazy people getting ahold of that info.

People could get hurt or worse - crazy or not - and the site could potentially be liable in that case - warning or no warning.

-Chris
Studentfilms.com

But like I said - a good film doesn't need explosives. Just a good script

I disagree completely. I am holding a very good script in my hands and it DOES need explosives (well fire and gun stuff and what not)...but its a periodic piece.

However, I agree that it should be done by professionals.

Should it be done by profe$$ional$? yes. Can the majority of people on this site afford one? No. That's why I found the information helpful. Good thing I remembered it.

im sure firecrackers would do the job, and they're much safer.

Just really quick on the whole a good movie doesn't need explosions thing.

Imagine watching Star Wars and at the end . . . where's the explosions?

Imagine watching Mission:Impossible . . .explosions?

Imagine any good action movie without an explosion of some sort. They're everywhere!

and Kyle, what I described was probably safer then firecrackers. Heck, I KNOW its safer then firecrackers. There is literally no force form these things unless its in a concentrated container.

But, all the same, I must respect Chris's decision. I don't have to agree with it, but it is his site, and he doesn't want to be sued when someone does something stupid and blames it on him.

Yes. Action movies have explosions. Not all movies are action movies.

-Chris
Studentfilms.com

Has anyone read Robert Rodreguiz's "Rebel without a crew"

Its a diary of him making his first feature film for $7,000 before he makes it big. Anyway he was going to shoot a car exploding, but for time reasons he couldn't fit it in. When he was selling the film around to small spanish video distributers a few of them told him that his movie needed an Explosion.

But I guess its better that he didn't have an explosion, because if it did, he would have sold it for $15,000 to some lame straight to video market instead of getting $200,000 from Columbia and getting theatre distribution.

Moral of the story, sometimes you need explosions, and sometimes you don't.

therefore, explosions ARE needed some times. That's all I wanted to hear Chris . Watch out, those general statements can get you in the back. One could say that you said: "He asid a good movie doesn't need explosions, therefore, all movies with explosions are bad!" just watching out for ya' man!

And that Rebel Without a Crew book is extraordinary! I have a car that not even a tax return place will take, so I'll blow it up. just need a permit/ hire a professional for something THAT BIG.

I think explosives should only be used by proffesionals. I used a recipe to make a smoke bomb using sugar and salt-peter, It originaly worked very well(just as described). But then I decided to triple the ingredients to make it last longer... It backfired and exploded! It melted the picnic table I was working on and gave me second degree chemical burns on my arm. (It almost took my arm off completely!) It's not that I wasn't cautious about what I was doing, But it's more that I didn't know what I was doing. People with pyrotechnic training are trained for a reason. I think it's very close minded that we think we can do what they do without any training.

That's why you don't tamper with the formula!
formulas are created for a very specific reason in this category . . . never assume anything, base all your actions on facts and figures.

This is one reason why you need the professionals at Detonation Films to help people that like explosions.

I'm sure some people already know this but It provides explosions (done by professionals) infront of some kind of green screen or in front of black anything like that so you can key all that out and put that in your videos. Best of all, the good explosions are free!

It's not that tampering with the formula made the accident happen. It's that the formula was a lot more volatile then anyone expected in the first place, and shouldn't have been handled at all. That's why you need training to foresee the outcome. There were a lot of factors that contributed to this accident, but it could have only taken one to make it all go wrong. The saying "If you play with fire long enough...you will eventually get burned" is very true. The saying "What can go wrong...will go wrong" is even more true. Watch this link to a video I've seen. I hope it makes you think twice before making posts about explosives. You need to take into consideration that most of the members of this site are students aged 15 and up, and don't have a good grasp of what common sense is yet...Heck, even some adults I know are not mature yet. Could you live with yourself knowing that a child of 15 got a hold of your recipe even for the one day that it was up on the site, and hurt him/herself or worse? I couldn't. Most of these experiments are very innocent and aren't intended to be harmful, but they can easily turn...

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/bottlebomb.wmv

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That's why you don't tamper with the formula!
formulas are created for a very specific reason in this category . . . never assume anything, base all your actions on facts and figures.


How do you know the formula hasn't been tampered with in the first place? Where are you getting your facts? The internet? You need to be trained to know the validity of the formula! Any joe shmo can put up info on the net without it being true. I have to assume your getting your info from the net because I have never heard of ANY published book that gives out info on homemade explosives. For those of you that know about the "Anarchist Cookbook" should know that there are equally as many sites warning of the contents of this book.

Firecrackers are equally dangerous. Let one go off in the palm of your hand...it'll burn you. But take that same firecracker and make a fist around it... and it'll take your hand clean off!!

It's dangerous, plain and simple. Don't medal!

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Firecrackers are equally dangerous. Let one go off in the palm of your hand...it'll burn you. But take that same firecracker and make a fist around it... and it'll take your hand clean off!!

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Yeah yeah, we've all seen that scene in Armagedon. For you it was the tampering of the formula that made the accident happen, you said so yourself that "it originaly worked very well(just as described)" And yes, we all know we shouldn't play around with explosives and that it was smart of Chris to take the post off. To be honest (and to use my well-rounded knowledge of chemistry), forsaken's ideas for the "explosion" is nothing compared to the magnitude of the explosion in the link you provided us. Being kind of a pyromaniac myself (when I was very young) I know that the powder in the rocket is very flammable but, as Forsaken pointed out, will not produce an explosion unless packed in a concentrated container, therefore it is not exqually dangerous as a firecracker (unless someone is so ignorant as to put the powder on their hands and then light it on fire).

It was smart for chris to delete the post because of potential liability and harm, but with intelligent enough people, what forsaken posted would not be life-threatening.

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smart for chris to delete the post because of potential liability and harm, but with intelligent enough people, what forsaken posted would not be life-threatening.

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This is like saying you can shoot somebody in the shoulder, and it would not be life threatening as well, but it will still leave a scar for life.

I agree that tampering was the key factor that made it go wrong. But you have to admit that being smart has nothing to do with it. Watch Real TV, how many videos of professionals themselves screwing up does it take to get the point across? Sure my original formula worked very well, but how was I to know it would do that in the first place? The info could have just as easily been false...

Speaking of being shot in the shoulder...I saw a really good short film at RES Fest where a guy actually paid someone to be shot in the shoulder so that he'd have the scar and the huge exit wound. Sort of like a tatooing.

The guy had this whole room set up, complete with chair and sandbags to catch the bullet.

It was shot documentary style - but it wasn't until the end that you realized that it was fake. Extremely well done though. The actors were amazing.

I forgot what the film was called unfortunately. Very well done though...and disturbing.

-Chris
Studentfilms.com

I do not get any formulas off the internet. The people who post formulas on the internet are jerks who want to see people get hurt. i talk to proffessionals. (My Grandpa was in espionage what he tells me is harmless.)

anyways, being smart has everything to do with it. I have a bucket of sand, water, and a fire extinguisher close by whenever I work with this stuff. I always have LONG fuses, and always zoom in.

I'm not medaling with anything. I'm using facts and figures, and proffessional advice to do my work. Like I've said: Never assume anything.

I ralize now that posting my tip on the site was a stupid idea, since most people probably don't think things through as much as I do. andI don't want to be held liable for someone who doesn't take the necessary precautions.

and those kids in that video are stupid.

And nobody ever use the Anarchists Cookbook. That's the greatest mistake ever.

HAHAHAHAHAA that video is amazing! HOW STUPID are those kids???

pretty stupid, I wanna see what that kid's hand looked like the explosion.

this one is hilarious too. doesn't have anything to do with explosions, just plain funny.

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/index.php?e=divingboard.mpg