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Hi, I have been in contact with an actor from the SAG, and I was wondering what the SAG low budget is for them. He also asked if the movie will be placed on IMDb with credits, how do I ensure that it is? And about the paying him, I had told him earlier that pay might not be present, and he was still interested. So is there a way to get a SAG actor for free?
 
Posts: 83 | Location: Iowa | Registered: February 03, 2006Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Yes, it is possible to use SAG actors for free. If you're in a film school it helps, but either way you can get a student film agreement or low budget film agreement. You'll need to contact your local SAG headquarters, and speak to them about your needs. They'll send you paperwork to fill out BEFORE you begin the movie, and once that has been submitted they'll send more to fill out on set after each shoot.

What the paperwork does it promise that you will pay the actors a day rate of $716 for each day, IF you make money.

Also, getting listed on iMDB is not easy. They have a section on their site about it. If the movie plays in any major festivals that will happen, other than that... it is unlikely.


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Or you can crew on a shoot that is a major project, and they can be nice enough to send your name with the credits to the IMDB Wink

You can do deferred, as titanium said, but SAG does not always issue the release agreements to let SAG actors work on low/no budget productions. Jon Voight had an issue with this, AFAIK. There's a hate mail that he wrote online somewhere.

You can't "ensure" that it will get on the IMDB... luckily, you can't just pay your way on. Make it good and hopefully it will be visible enough to get on the site. Of course, there's a lot of stuff that's surprisingly expensive that never shows up there... and some stuff there that no one will ever see.
 
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Actually, Getting listed on IMDB is pretty easy.... You just click an add button I dont remember what the button says exactly, but yeah.... you put in all the info, and assuming it all checks out it will show up.... usually will take a month to two months though....

But yeah. It's not too hard. Smile


EDIT:

http://www.imdb.com/updates?update=title

That is the link to add a title to IMDB.


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Yes, submitting a change is easy, but unless they can verify the info from other sources and the entry generally checks out, it's pretty hard for it to actually get uncluded, hence the fact festivals really help.


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erify the info from other sources and the entry generally checks out, it's pretty hard for it to actually get uncluded, hence the fact festivals really help.

Like I said, as long as the information checks out. But I have added a brand new Title before, and it definately got added.... And the short was on a website (it wasnt my short, it was someone else, but yeah....) They will accept almost any type of film and any type of distribution.


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When you say I would have to pay them $716 a day if the movie makes money, that is a guarantee? There isn't anyway, a SAG actor can do work for free no matter what? Because I will be making money from this, but not enough to pay them.

Sounds like it would be easier to get a local actor.
 
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See, you'll need to work it out with SAG. I've heard you can negotiate for as low as $70 per day. And, I'd guess that you don't have to pay them until you earned back your profits and acquired some sort of distribution, but again, you'll need to talk with them. They're really grumpy, and seem to exist to give you a hard time, but they will work it out in the end.

Also, on the IMDB discussion, here's an excerpt from the submit page:

quote:
Eligibility rules
For a work to be eligible for inclusion in the database it:


must be of general public interest and
should be available to the public or have been available in the past.
It does not have to be a feature film. We accept most kinds of films/shows:
features
documentaries
experimental films
short films, but for the time being no commercials, video clips or music videos (these go to the biographical section under 'other works')
films made for the big screen, TV and video
TV series and mini series, but for now not individual TV series episodes.
video games


General public interest is assumed if a work...


has been released to cinemas
has been shown on non-local TV
has been released on video or prints have been made available to the public (but see exceptions below on limited distribution titles)
has been accepted and shown on film festivals that don't accept everything regardless of its quality (if you have doubt, see this page for details)
has been made by a (now) famous artist or person of public interest.
has become famous for some reason and is widely talked about/referenced in non-local media or the 'film community' or is now of general historic interest for some reason.


General public interest is NOT given just because a work...


is of a strictly private nature (home movies)
is an amateur production made for local consumption by friends, family members and neighbours, the local school campus etc. (including "local access television")
has been digitized and put on some internet page for downloading (unless general public interest is assumed for one of the reasons stated above)
is being offered to the public on the web via home made video tape copies (unless general public interest is assumed for one of the reasons stated above)
has been made during/for a film class, workshop or any other educational program (unless general public interest is assumed for one of the reasons stated above)
has been made for a local institution (such as a university or company) for internal use (unless general public interest is assumed for one of the reasons stated above)
IMDb retains the right to reject any work whose eligibility according to above rules is dubious and/or unverifiable. This may include works which are in their very first development stages. If you would like to submit a project in development, please sign-up for IMDbPro. IMDb retains the right to change and adapt eligibility rules as circumstances require.


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If you can get the SAG actor to sign an agreememnt, that he will recieve DEFERRED NET PROFITS, the you will not be obligated to pay him any money. You can move the numbers around and claim the film made no actual profit...this all depends on your ethical standpoint, i guess.


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