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Originally posted by MeGrimlock:
But, being a low level independent film maker can only get me and my movies so far. Pretty soon I'm going to need, or want at the very least, money and power to make bigger and better films with larger casts, crew, and gear, all which are going to take quite a bit of money and power.

sure you need more money and power to make better movies, but that wasnt what we were talking about, we were talking about the american dream. And to Harris, what exactly in our foreign policy says that we are better than other people (as people, not in power or strength mind you) than anyone else in the world? and for Harris again, if your going to argue against someone, be sure to have better points than just that person's gramatical mistakes and typos.

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And to Harris, what exactly in our foreign policy says that we are better than other people (as people, not in power or strength mind you) than anyone else in the world?

The nature of U.S. foreign policy was brandished pretty truly by that recent war we just had. It's obvious that most Americans believe Democracy superior to other forms of government; this nationalism we fondly call "patriotism." And for what it's worth, I never said Americans believe they are better than other people; I said they believe their way of life is better than those of other people.

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and for Harris again, if your [sic] going to argue against someone, be sure to have better points than just that person's gramatical [sic] mistakes and typos.

Those aren't points. They're AP/MLA style interpolations which evince that I am not misquoting, but that the text appears that way in the original source. They are not meant to offend.

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Originally posted by Matt B.:

sure you need more money and power to make better movies, but that wasnt what we were talking about, we were talking about the american dream.

I was talking about the American Dream. I was just using film as the medium in which to achieve such an ideal. For an example, read that post again with that in mind. Let's be real, no one wants to be a janitor.

elliott...

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I said they believe their way of life is better than those of other people.

Is this unexpected or unusual? I think any citizens of a nation believe their way of life to be superior to that of other nations.

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I think any citizens of a nation believe their way of life to be superior to that of other nations.

Yeah, that's why the U.S. has the highest rate of illegal immigration in the world (not per capita), huh? Really, though, you're probably right; most people are naturally ethnocentric. I think it is, however, more pronounced and more flaunted in the United States.

That's true in MOST cases. Happy citizens generally tell themselves their way of life is the best. It makes them feel proud, secure, and smart. They're living in the right place. Whether or not it's true, is not a big concern. However, I doubt the victims of genocide in Rwanda, or famine stricken farmers in Tibet would say they had the best ay of life.

Is the American way of life the best? No, but its a hell of a lot better then a lot of other places, and I would rather live here.

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Problem number 34 with America: NO CENTRALIZED HEALTH CARE SYSTEM!

Problem number 35 with America: NO METRIC SYSTEM!

Problem number 36 with America: NOT ENOUGH ROUNDABOUTS!

Problem number 37 with America: TELLING OTHER COUNTIRES HOW THEY SHOULD FUNCTION AND OTHER PEOPLE HOW THEY SHOULD LIVE!

Problem number 38 with America: FACIST RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVES! WHY IF I HAD MONEY AND POWER I'D TELL ALL OF YOU JUST THE WAY I WANT THINGS TO BE AND FORCE ALL YOU FACISTS TO COMPLY!

Problem number 39 with America: GUNS AND MILITIAS! WHAT IS THIS? THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR?

Problem number 40 with America: NO GAY MARRIAGE! COME ON! IS THERE SOME 'AMENDMENT' PREVENTING US FROM TELLING CHURCHES HOW TO THINK AND FEEL? I MEAN, JESUS CHRIST!



Now give me that check I asked for!

you want a centralized Healthcare system? Get ready to pay higher taxes.

I agree with you on that metric thing.

If you really want roundabouts, go ahead. . .

Yeah, we're trying to tell other people how to live, but how come other countries can tell US how to live and not get flack for it?

Whats wrong with a little conservatism? (George bush not apllied) conservatives don't spend a lot of money so whenever a liberal gets in office, thres more money to spend. If you think liberals haven't done their share of screwing the country, you've got another think coming.

I would rather have a gun and not need it, then not have one and need it.

You just said America is notorious for telling people how to live. Now you want to the government to tell the church how to think and act? Interesting . . .

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Problem number 40 with America: NO GAY MARRIAGE! COME ON! IS THERE SOME 'AMENDMENT' PREVENTING US FROM TELLING CHURCHES HOW TO THINK AND FEEL? I MEAN, JESUS CHRIST!

Problem number 41: MARRIAGE.

Marriage is the union of a man and woman, recognized by the state, designed to foster and encourage the production of offspring - hence tax benefits. Today, we hardly need to encourage an increase in population; marriage is an outdated institution.

The easy solution to this issue is to deinstitutionalize marriage and place it wholly within the domain of the church or temple or whatever institution the consorts find appropriate.

There's no need for gay marriage. There's no need for marriage, period.

Roundabouts are inefficient antiquities. So are cars.

cars suck, I want a horse. A Samurai war horse, so it can run forever.

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Originally posted by Harris:
Problem number 41: MARRIAGE.

Marriage is the union of a man and woman, recognized by the state, designed to foster and encourage the production of offspring - hence tax benefits. Today, we hardly need to encourage an increase in population; marriage is an outdated institution.

The easy solution to this issue is to deinstitutionalize marriage and place it wholly within the domain of the church or temple or whatever institution the consorts find appropriate.

There's no need for gay marriage. There's no need for marriage, period.

Roundabouts are inefficient antiquities. So are cars.

Oh hell no, when the day comes that I finally do find that lucky lady that I've drugged into submission or sucked out all of her love for life that she has to marry me because no other person will take the empty husk of a former human being, I'm getting my "God-given" right of a tax break. And I'll be damned if I have to leave the "sanctity" of anything up to any church. I mean, come on.
I just think gays should be able to do it too. Hell, I'd marry my hetero-lifemate for a ****ing tax break.

elliott...

if thats all marriage is to you, be prepared for divorce, after divorce, after divorce. You're life will be miserable and you're kids will hate you. Then you will suddenly meet your end when you marry the wrong temporary wife and she has a scene of vertigo, then kills you.

Okay, that's extreme, but seriously, religion your know, you can't think that marriage has no sanctity at all.

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Hell, I'd marry my hetero-lifemate for a ****ing tax break.

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if thats all marriage is to you, be prepared for divorce,

other than that, marriage is stupid

Well, I come from a family where both of my parents are twice divorced, but, I love them both. I also have a child that hates me already regardless of divorce. I don't see marriage as just a tax break, but mostly a way to keep both parnters in line. If they go and **** around and one of them doesn't like it, then they're subjected to the horrible and annoying process and penalities of divorce. I do believe in the romanticism in a marriage, I just don't see that religion really has to play any part in it. It's not any less a marriage without religion than with.

elliott...

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Originally posted by Forsakenproductions:
you want a centralized Healthcare system? Get ready to pay higher taxes.

I agree with you on that metric thing.

If you really want roundabouts, go ahead. . .

Yeah, we're trying to tell other people how to live, but how come other countries can tell US how to live and not get flack for it?

Whats wrong with a little conservatism? (George bush not apllied) conservatives don't spend a lot of money so whenever a liberal gets in office, thres more money to spend. If you think liberals haven't done their share of screwing the country, you've got another think coming.

I would rather have a gun and not need it, then not have one and need it.

You just said America is notorious for telling people how to live. Now you want to the government to tell the church how to think and act? Interesting . . .

not dissing you bro, your a fellow filmmaker and its nothing but respect, just wanted to talk about a few of the things you said:

"Yeah, we're trying to tell other people how to live, but how come other countries can tell US how to live and not get flack for it?"

When did Iraq ever tell us how to live? Especially in a violent way causing thousands of deaths in our homeland. For the single last time, there is no proof whatsoever that iraq had anything to do with 9/11...in fact most of the hijackers were saudis...wait we cant tell them how to live. I wonder why.

"Whats wrong with a little conservatism? (George bush not apllied) conservatives don't spend a lot of money so whenever a liberal gets in office, thres more money to spend. If you think liberals haven't done their share of screwing the country, you've got another think coming."

Conservatives don't spend a lot of money? thats BS. Politicians in general spend waaay too much money, you cant put all of it on Liberals... I also remember billions and billions of dollars spent on this war.

"I would rather have a gun and not need it, then not have one and need it."

In this day and age...No regular citizen NEEDS a gun or should have one...that statement adds to the gun problem ridiculously..if there is ever a point in time when you NEED a gun(someone's pointing a gun at you), chances are it will not be available to you, unless you carry it in a holster...ESPECIALLY if you are safe with it, and keep the gun and the bullets separately, which would not give you enough time to "save the day". We may have needed guns back in the day when we were hunting for survival but its 2005 now and noone has the need for such a deadly weapon. im not going to even get into the children aspect.

"You just said America is notorious for telling people how to live. Now you want to the government to tell the church how to think and act? Interesting . . ."

Allowing Gay marriage to be legal would not have to involve the church changing it's beliefs. it would involve the church keeping its hand out of the government which its supposed to be doing. You think you have to be religious to get married? My bro got married last year, him and his wife are both atheists...the ceremony was not in a church. thats still marriage... If a church doesnt believe in Gay marriage...fine, **** them, they dont have to marry anyone, but the fact that gay marriage isnt legal under our government is still mind boggling to me to this day. if a Klansman doesnt believe in Interracial dating, thats his problem, but that doesnt mean there should be some law against it...ya feel me?

Anyway, thats my bored at college rant for the night...im not really trying to attack you, cause thats not what Im all about, just attacking your statements.

peace out.