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I'm just taking this out of my notes, none of it is concrete, and I would like any of your ideas, thanks!

Basics: These high schoolers go on a trip and two of them are the main characters. The two get lost, and each is in an extreme political party. While they are trying to persuade eachother to join eachother's parties in heated arguements, they are trying to find they're way back.

The 2 High Schoolers: James and Liz.

James- a dedicated Neo-Nazi. Carries Mein Kumpf (My struggle by Adolf Hitler) with him everywhere. Has irrational behavoir and a punk.

Elizabeth(Liz)- A full fledged Liberal and Vegitarrean. She wants to become an activist writer, but is a hot head sometimes and admires James of his punkishness.

GENRE: Intelligent Teen Drama/Comedy

I just wanted to show the difference between human thoughts among us, and how we live and interact with opposites.


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Very interesting idea. The audience will find it extremely hard to relate to a main character with Nazi beliefs though.


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Thanks! I didn't mean exactly to the characters, just to the world around them I guess.

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I kind of like it, I think if you can somehow manipulate us into caring for the guy with Nazi beliefs it could work. It's so odd (yet nice) to see the words "intelligent" and "teen" describe a genre of movies.
 
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Thanks Trespasser! I think I could make the Nazi guy deeper, and maybe show that he is caring on the inside. And about the intelligent teen part, not all teens are retards, I'm one after all Big Grin

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Maybe if you can somehow make it a life changing experience for the Nazi. Make it change his mind. Make him realize he was only convincing himself of his beliefs because he was an outcast. I dunno - that is kind of lame actually.


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A Nazi Punk is an contradiction, punk being a rebellion against government and institutions while Nazism is extreme facism. By having a character that is a Nazi, don't expect your audience to be able to sympathize with him, because unless they themselves are Nazis or some other form of racist white supremecist. The great majority of your viewing audience will likely be offended if you try to represent him as a sympathetic character (I would,even if I weren't half Jewish). I think the story would work much better if you had the contrasting character as a REAL Punk and a Christian Conservative, or something of that nature. The only way to have success with an audience while maintaining a Nazi character would be to either show that he is a complete POS, have the hippie girl show him his error in judgment thereby changing his ways, or show that he doesn't truly feel that way, but has only latched onto Nazism as a way to compensate for a history of low self-esteem/social unacceptance/poor parenting/etcetera which would realate to the previous suggestion. WHy a Nazi anyway? For the shock value or are you a sympathizer?
 
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why are a nazi and a liberal vegetarian hanging out together anyway? why wouldn't the nazi be like "haha sucks for you being lost, and leave her in the middle of the woods?"

also this kind of movie has been done before, so i suggest you watch examples of this kinds of movies to get ideas.

One is this WW2 movie that recently came out, about a Russian and a Finnish soldier that must live together in a house before they freeze to death. lemme find the name.

Another one is SWEPT AWAY by Lina Wertmuller. It's about a communist servant and a rich aristrocrat stranded on a deserted island together.

there are more. anyway, these movies were made the show the similarities/dissimilarities between people/ideas/culture.
 
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A Nazi Punk is an contradiction, punk being a rebellion against government and institutions while Nazism is extreme facism. By having a character that is a Nazi, don't expect your audience to be able to sympathize with him, because unless they themselves are Nazis or some other form of racist white supremecist. The great majority of your viewing audience will likely be offended if you try to represent him as a sympathetic character (I would,even if I weren't half Jewish). I think the story would work much better if you had the contrasting character as a REAL Punk and a Christian Conservative, or something of that nature. The only way to have success with an audience while maintaining a Nazi character would be to either show that he is a complete POS, have the hippie girl show him his error in judgment thereby changing his ways, or show that he doesn't truly feel that way, but has only latched onto Nazism as a way to compensate for a history of low self-esteem/social unacceptance/poor parenting/etcetera which would realate to the previous suggestion. WHy a Nazi anyway? For the shock value or are you a sympathizer?


Thanks for the ideas. I think I like the compensate for a history of low self-esteem idea. And no, I am not a sympathizer, but I guess Nazi was the easiest thing I could think of, I guess I could make him into a commi, I don't know.

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For the Nazi, don't just focus on the normal stereotypes such as white supremacy, and all that.

While those are certainly part of it, try to bring into focus more Nazi ideals.

Example: The love of country over love of self. For the good of the common welfare.

All though Hitler's Nazi Party were anti-communist in the war, they had adopted many communistic beliefs. Do some research into it, and you could have a very successful story.


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why are a nazi and a liberal vegetarian hanging out together anyway? why wouldn't the nazi be like "haha sucks for you being lost, and leave her in the middle of the woods?"

also this kind of movie has been done before, so i suggest you watch examples of this kinds of movies to get ideas.

One is this WW2 movie that recently came out, about a Russian and a Finnish soldier that must live together in a house before they freeze to death. lemme find the name.

Another one is SWEPT AWAY by Lina Wertmuller. It's about a communist servant and a rich aristrocrat stranded on a deserted island together.

there are more. anyway, these movies were made the show the similarities/dissimilarities between people/ideas/culture.


Even though he is Nazi, it doesnt mean he is catergorized as being an idiot. He might of been brought up by it, and is now old enough to change his beliefs.

Oh, I have never heard of those movies. I didn't know there were things like that that related to my idea so much. I don't think I will change it though, it is different enough to be original, and still I didn't think of it while watching one of those movies, so I can't really say I was influenced by another movie.

However I assumed there most of been at least a couple of movies that showed contrast between political/religious beliefs, I just hope mine is different.

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Originally posted by Forsakenproductions:
For the Nazi, don't just focus on the normal stereotypes such as white supremacy, and all that.

While those are certainly part of it, try to bring into focus more Nazi ideals.

Example: The love of country over love of self. For the good of the common welfare.

All though Hitler's Nazi Party were anti-communist in the war, they had adopted many communistic beliefs. Do some research into it, and you could have a very successful story.


Yes! This is exactly what I wanted to do. I didn't want it to be total generalized people. I wanted people with different characteristics, not just a total Nazi guy who hates everything, or a Liberal who is a total hippy. Thank you for showing what I was trying to aim at.

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So the real question is, is this a good enough idea to make it into a script?

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If you think that you can't create sympathy or affinity for a character of National Socialist mindset then you clearly haven't seen Downfall. This movie is brilliant, especially because the actor who plays Hitler is so talented. It succeeded in actually makeing me feel for Hitler in his last days during the fall of Berlin. But it didn't glorify him at all either, it showed him as a little, delusional man, gripping onto the last bits of hope or chance for salvation of his dream. You can see the glory of his original dream of an empire devoted to the arts and culture as well as the horrible attrocities he was willing to commit to achieve it. But anyways, the movie was powerful because it actually made Hitler seem human and made him worthy of my pity. The power of movies, or any fiction really, is that you can do anything you want with them. If you succeed in making a character with Nazi beliefs accesible to the audience, you will have done something hard and thus impressive. That being said, to be honest, the structure of your movie seems a little bit cliched. Isn't it really just the strict conservative boy, freedom loving girl, stranded together love story, see daytime television for examples?
 
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If you think that you can't create sympathy or affinity for a character of National Socialist mindset then you clearly haven't seen Downfall. This movie is brilliant, especially because the actor who plays Hitler is so talented. It succeeded in actually makeing me feel for Hitler in his last days during the fall of Berlin. But it didn't glorify him at all either, it showed him as a little, delusional man, gripping onto the last bits of hope or chance for salvation of his dream. You can see the glory of his original dream of an empire devoted to the arts and culture as well as the horrible attrocities he was willing to commit to achieve it. But anyways, the movie was powerful because it actually made Hitler seem human and made him worthy of my pity. The power of movies, or any fiction really, is that you can do anything you want with them. If you succeed in making a character with Nazi beliefs accesible to the audience, you will have done something hard and thus impressive. That being said, to be honest, the structure of your movie seems a little bit cliched. Isn't it really just the strict conservative boy, freedom loving girl, stranded together love story, see daytime television for examples?


It does sound a bit cliche at first, but it is not a love story. I still really need to sketch out the main points, but I know for a fact it's not going to be a love story. Oh and the movie Downfall, my goal would be to have the same emotion that of Hitler in that movie, but I just don't have enough experience at that point. I will try as hard as I can, but I'm not promising I will succeed.

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First of all: The name of the book is:
"Mein Kampf" not Mein Kumpf. (I don't like to correct people, especially in this case, as a german, but it should be correct.)
In my view the characters are a bit to clear to straight. It might be helpful to watch a documentary about a neonazi, to avoid a cliche:
The film that I like to recommend you is:
"Beruf Neonazi" (proffesion: Neonazi).
Here is a link to a website, where you can get more information about this issue:
http://www.filmportal.de
 
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Originally posted by Mathias Will:
First of all: The name of the book is:
"Mein Kampf" not Mein Kumpf. (I don't like to correct people, especially in this case, as a german, but it should be correct.)
In my view the characters are a bit to clear to straight. It might be helpful to watch a documentary about a neonazi, to avoid a cliche:
The film that I like to recommend you is:
"Beruf Neonazi" (proffesion: Neonazi).
Here is a link to a website, where you can get more information about this issue:
http://www.filmportal.de


Thanks for the info! It will help me alot.

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this is one of the most original ideas ive seen in a long time, and being a conservative with a ton of liberal hippie friends i can relate to the guy (but im not a nazi...). maybe he doesnt have to be a nazi per say but maybe just a facist (i suck at spelling). by the way, i dont remember who said it and im too lazy to look back but someone said something along the lines of conservative communist, and they are total opposites, just to let you know. i agree with the guy who said that the guy should embrace the nazi ideals of country over self and all that but not e a nazi, maybe just an extreame conformist and not punk at all since punk is more of a liberal style anyways. well anyways, theres my two cents.
 
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