I wasn't clear before...I like movies that use "very few words" and lots of visuals. I think thats how it should be done. I never said "only visuals" although movies like "City Lights" and "Metropolis" are very impressive. No MUSIC? no no no...I never said that, if you thought I did, sorry, I wasn't clear enough then, my bad.

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I agree with Mind rite.... Just for the record

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I disslike Black Hawk Down. The visuals, the war scenes, the action were the best I've seen for a war type film.....but the story was lame, boring, and not well explained to someone who has no idea what the hell was going on in that time.

PLus there was absolutely NO character development, so I couldn't feel for the characters who died....(no, holding up a pic of a characters wife while being beat to hell by a bunch oh of skinnys is gonna make me feel compassion for this character.................) The movie reminded more of a Zombie movie

But back to my point, dialogue helps progress character development (Black Hawk NEEDED dilaogue BADLY, although I loved the action, I got bored from it.-RARE-) Without dialogue, a movie is just pretty pictures. If I wanted pretty pictures I'd go to a museum. I'm not saying visuals suck in movies, but without dialogue, a movie is boring. An exception to this is PARTS of 2001 (Although the visuals went on for a little too long, then again.....everything happening in that film was new and groundbreaking)

A good example of visuals working well with dialogue is yet another Kubrick film as an example; A Clockword Orange. Beautifull dialogue and beautifull images.

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You need a healthy dose of both, but more visual than word..."scripts" no more than 30% spoken words.

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Mind rite, I think the word I should have said was "appreciate". Tarantino has mastered a style that you don't appreciate.

I still believe that a dialogue heavy movie can be fascinating. You know, like Clerks or Monty Python's Life of Brian. (Which was visually stunning, but the focus was on the dialogue.)

Also, I disagree with judging a movie on the ratio of dialogue to visuals.

I think the reason I'm challenging you is that I feel that you have a limited appreciation for movies in that you can only enjoy movies that conform to this visual standard that you hold. There are many different ways to make a movie, and just because they aren't primarily visual doesn't mean they should be dismissed. Each needs to be appreciated on its own terms.

Of course if you don't like a movie you don't like a movie. That's fine too. Personally I despise "American Beauty".

I kinda agree with both of you, accept, As much as a love Kevin SMith as a director, i dislike his movies beacuse they're not much of anything visual, but a big something in Dialogue.

I didn't like Clerks.

However, Give Clerks better visuals and IT"D BE GREAT!... Look at my favorite film...

Edward Scissorhands... One of the most visually STunning peices of works ever made. (ONE OF)

Lost In TRanslation... ALSO VISUALLY STUNNING

The SHining... Visually Stunning...

CLockwork orange.... Same

One Hour Photo, Punch drunk love, The BEach, Donnie Darko, 2001...

ALL GREAT VISUALLY STUNNING PEICES OF WORK... and guess what else they have? GREAT dialogue... 2001... is a little "Ify" on the dialogue but i just think nothings creapier that BAD HAL's voice.


Your both right, you need a healthy dose of both. I'll give you great instances where a film is given to much and the film is crappy...

TO MUCH FOCUS ON VISUALS : The new Star Wars

TO Much FOCUS ON DIALOGUE : I actually can't come up with one right now... Maybe that says something? I don't know, someone help me out.... I have PLENTY but you guys would definitly disagree.... Two i'm thinking of is Clerks and Resievor Dogs.

...and I still do not like saving private ryan too much...Terence malicks film was sooooo much better

off topic? uhhhh

I'd consider Kill Bill a visual film more than a dialogue film.

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At least Volume 1. Tarantino said a while ago that it just happened that the split made Vol 1 the action film and Vol 2 the traditional Tarantino film.

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I do like the movie "City Slickers"...and that has a lot of talking in it, but very clever stufff....Kevin Smith movies are cool, but even Kevin Smiths says that he is not a real film maker.

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I love city slickers!

But what smith says is according to your definition of "filmmaker". There is no solid by the book meaning for it really.

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You people are crazy.

Kill Bill was filled with plot, there was great dialogue, and it was totally non-linear

It was brilliant, from Buck who likes to f*ck, to the anime, to the action, the dialogue between Black Mamba and the Japanese sword maker.

It was ingenius, hilarious, dramatic, and excellent action.

I was on the edge of my seat through the whole thing.

Not Tarantino's best, but the best Kung Fu movie I've ever seen (Except for Jackie Chan's Drunken Master series, those are just too cool...heheh.

LMAO!!!! Edge of your seat? For what? The movie is one person getting revenge on those who did her in, that is IT! No more, no less. WHAT A GREAT STORY!


I just have one question, how can most of you who love this movie so much at the same time hate the Matrix movies? Matrix has all the stunning visuals, a MASTER PIECE plot and story, great characters, this is a movie that has changed the world of ciniema yet you think it sucks and Kill Bill is MASTERFUL? I'm not sure if you are idiots or just a bunch of bandwagon riders but it just doesn't add up.

I have a feeling that half of you are the type of people that go with the majority, if someone likes a movie you like it too, if the majority hate it, then you hate it. Atleast that would give reasoning behind the plot hole of how Kill Bill has anything on the Matrix series.

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People have the right to like or dislike whatever they want. There doesn't have to be any sort of reasonable logic behind it.

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Yeah we're the mindless drones and this guy thinks that Matrix Reloaded was good. Maybe the plot was more complex but that hardly means better. Im serious man, Matrix Reloaded sucks and I have seen Kill Bill three times. Tell the truth, now that it is out on DVD, can you sit through Reloaded more than once? Doubt it. Matix was a beast, but Reloaded sucks so the Matrix series is not looking good...unless Revolutions is repairing the ozone layer.

And as far as plot Tarantino meant for his movie to be an exploitation. It is supposed to a no holds barred kung-fu flick. And since when is revenge supposed to be complex?

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Kill Bill was good for me because I needed a way to fall asleep easier

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I have a feeling that half of you are the type of people that go with the majority, if someone likes a movie you like it too, if the majority hate it, then you hate it. Atleast that would give reasoning behind the plot hole of how Kill Bill has anything on the Matrix series.

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agreed, to a point.

I think the Matrix has more of these "band wagon" followers than Kill Bill.

Kill Bill isn't exactly the huge blockbuster in theatres that EVERYONE is talking about (I hear more talk of Texas Chainsaw than Kill Bill)

But more people become bandwagon members to films like Citizen Kane, The Matrix, Casablanca, ect.

I like the Matrix, but I am not able to sit through it very well....the plot isn't THAT deep and I got everything understood the first 2 viewings.

I can say that same about Kill Bill except I think Kill Bill has more of a "fun" experience. Its not to be taken seriously....its almost a joke but a GOOD joke and not a lame one.

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yeah, copious amounts of blood, detached limbs, and nonstop action made my eyelids a bit heavy too

on the other hand the constant pondering over what the matrix is even though we already know and the lengthy monologues by mono tone characters was incredibly riveting

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Not as reviting as Kill Bills theme of revenge. The best part about Kill Bills fight scenes were the constant close ups and quick shots. Those made me really want to jump out of my seat. I mean when someones fighting I would like to actually see the fighting not a bunch of quick shots with the camera focused on there faces.

I mean we all prettu much agree that Kill Bills a simple movie with a simple plot. Not much goes on in the movie besides the obvious revenge theme. The question I ask is...how does a movie like this cost over 50 million to make? Especially considering the 2nd Volume is suppose to be "dialoge" heavy with not much action.

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is the budget of 50mil for both volumes? if its thats 25 mil a volume. then take in account the actors salarys. then all the extras and stunt people. then costumes and locations. then all of the blood and limbs created. thats not very expensive in comparison with every other action flick out there.

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