It's too bad your parents got mad at you. That would be an influence. My son got a lousy mark from a teacher in art and I obviously knew it was the teacher who didn't get it. Art is way too subjective to be judged. Remakes are important because we all grow and come to the table at different times with different perspectives. It would have been more interesting for your teacher to have compared the two works and assisted you in understanding the similarities/differences.

no cause just like Gus Van Sant I did a remake shot by shot.

and its still not OK cause its the EASY way. you KNOW that there's something going on in your head WAAAAAY more important than just thinking "oh i liked King Kong I want to remake that cause it sounds fun" meanwhile if you do that you ruin it and the whole audience...cause now not as many people are gonna give a **** to even look at the old one. its deja vue again. people not having balls. people being easy on themselves and giving in to the money producers, "no we cant make something personal about you, but you liked King kong huh? that is a pop movie lets redo that one and we'll be s ure to cash in"

what you say doesnt even make sense "grow and change perspectives" how can you do that if you are remaking other people's work? HAs Tarantino grown from anything? no he's been a hack since day one when he stole from City on Fire...and Kill Bill was a COMPLETE hack job he went as far as to steal other filmmaker's characters!

its just not fun when the real characters that havnt even been seen are still hidden and King kong is still the big one. its BS.

People do remakes all the time. Filmmakers make other people's scripts into movies. Songs are redone by groups with a different sound. We borrow our ideas from everywhere. Given all of the influences and participants involved, there's really no such thing as a completely original work. And that's O.K.

i understand what you mean completely, but I am speaking about a specific type of remake; film remakes. Adsact remakes. The same idea, done again. the same monster, done again. The same hero, done again. The same scene, done again.

with music its a lot different, thats A LOT different. anyone is allowed to sing a song they love. there's tremendous amount of respect among musicians who do cover songs. it MEANS something.

Film is a lot different. Thats a lot more work. And when some filmmaker who has enormous talent just GIVES UP and decides "eh ill just steal Dario Argento's audience and make em MINE" is BS. cause they know what they are doing, its lazy, its DISRESPECTFUL. its just plain ugly too cause look what happened to Texas chainsaw massacre, what sucked about that was the filmmaker of the original was actually OK with it. no one has the balls to stop anyone when money is rubbing in your face. now all the imagination is gone from the texas chainsaw, its all been revealed. How lame is that.?

You're absolutely right, the participants make the work....btu when its already a REMAKE those participants, those actors or technicians arnt doing anything new, they are just filling in what was already there. itd be different if it were a stage play or something, but a movie is such a huge cultural thing, and whats important, what I'm saying, is that most people will be distracted by the new version cause its catering to the audience. it knows how to fool u and like this v ersion better...cause I've seen Suspiria and I dont like it but I know why people like it cause the director made a movie he wanted, and its beautiful, now Green, a potentially beautiful filmmaker, is gonna go against what he himself thought he would never do. remake. And no ones gonna give him a bad grade, there's no grades, just money. he knows that now, Money. thats why he made pineapple instead of another beautiful daring film like george washington. Its ridiculeous he has enormous potential to make beautiful films and he's gonna waste that on doing a remake instead of his own WILL AND HEART. thats what it comes down to. his will and heart have been lost.

I loved all the King Kongs. Really I did. And I'll probably love the next King Kong, too. Heck, I even loved the Lego King Kong film my son did. He put a ton of will AND heart into that little film.

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Karen FTW!

did you ever see this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P6EN4xg6qY

I've seen George Washington and I loved it, I think the film is perfect. But I also like Pineapple Express. George Washington is a much much better and more important film, I'd never argue that. But they're also different films.

I'd have to admit I put "art" films and cinema that digs to the very depths of my soul, and anything that challenges the medium far above stuff like Indiana Jones or Dark Knight. The challenging stuff is just the type of film I'm interested in, the other stuff I just sort of like from time to time. and I don't expect everyone to be interested in art films or Batman films or whatever- I personally skip most of the major blockbusters and don't give a **** about seeing them.

But just because a director wants to make a different type of film doesn't mean he's selling out or becoming a *****. The film is much different from his other films and is far from personal, but it's still really good for the type of film it is and he did a good job. He worked with people who are genuine, not the makers of White Chicks or Scary Movie 4. There's a big difference. Point is, DGG did what he wanted to do, and if he wanted to "sell out" he could have gone with a much worse offer by now, I'm sure.

And anyway, just try to lighten up. You don't want to see a film? Fine. I'm just as diehard and combatative as you sometimes about film and what it can mean as an art form. But not everything has to be an automatic crusade. That's how people become terrible and pretensious filmmakers.

hahaha, he worked with worse filmmakers! he worked with Superbad and Knocked up. you call me immature and you say those films are "Genuine" I call them degrading to all human nature and truth. THEY ARE DEVO

he's a sell out cause he's working with the very sort of people he said he didnt like. for the record, the writer of superbad JUST finished a f ilm with KEvin Smith! So what has happened to our REAL version of Mr Green?!?!?! thats what i wanna know, where'd his REAL friends go?!

Superbad was OK and Knocked Up was pretty good. What the hell makes them so degrading and terrible? They're just comedies- they aren't meant to be 8 1/2 or Breathless.

And oh well, he contradicted himself. Spike Lee is always saying inflammatory remarks and ignorant things, like how stupid poetry is. He's still a great filmmaker. Godard used to (and still does) talk out of his ass and insults people left and right ignorantly. D.W. Griffith was a huge racist. What're you going to do? I judge the guy based on their films and what's in them. Maybe he's changed his mind about some things. Maybe he just sees PE's comedy as different from Clerks. Who knows? But why judge a film and a filmmaker's work based on some stupid **** he said somewhere?

And in reference to where his real friends went: Tim Orr, his long time cinematographer, worked on Pineapple Express with him. Danny McBride, who's worked on and starred in Green's films, worked on Pineapple Express with him. Even Eddie Rouse managed a cameo in the film. I guess Paul Schneider was too busy for this one.

haha. the only part i laughed at in superbad was when he was drawing the penii. that was very funny, but it doesnt make for the rest of the film and its real purpose. my girlfriend's mother watched it and it creeps me out that she watched it. The movie got me laid i wont lie about that either, its the sort of trick Hollywood pulls on people 'here's your date movie' oh great, so my subconcious has to be raped for awile and give in to the unavoidable pornography humor that has engulfed this nation. it really isnt funny at all to me to see these awkward situations "Oh i want to eat you out-errr I mean i want to take you out" haha he slipped and said what he was really thinking, its not funny. it really isnt. you wanna see a "comedy" look into the film ANIMAL CRACKERS

THAT is a funny movie. There used to be a gentle sort of "comedy" nowadays its all targeted to the YOUTH, and youths are way too freaky, bodies developing and stuff, hollywood knows this and plays to that, its not fair, see what i am saying? And then some old woman comes along and she gets sucked into it cause it reminds her of her changing body from long ago and thats just creepy, I could never sit next to anyone in that theatre, cause i wanna laugh, not start thinking about "trying to get laid or get drunk"

I love pornography, i love the whole idea of it. I really do. I am absolutely disgusted with it in Film tho, isnt that weird? I love the idea of having a porno theatre but it disgusts me to think about working in a film theatre? I know in the religion topic i was saying how much i hate "groups" or "genres" but there are two genres in the film world, there's the truth ( the art) and then there's the "pornography" and somehow the art got mixed up in into the trash. there was once a time they had "trash" films, where'd those go? Oh I know, they are EVERY MOVIE! hah! I dont get it. Superbad should be playing in porno theatres, but even then it wouldnt be a good porno!

Do you even know what you're saying?

There isn't a distinction of trash versus art like you seem to believe in. What's great in a film is subjective, there is no scale to put a movie up against. I definitely like art films more than blockbusters, but that doesn't mean a blockbuster can't be good. Also, nobody makes you watch any of these films. If you don't like it you don't have to watch it. At the same time you don't need to always rant about how other people shouldn't enjoy something. That's not the way it works, we all like different things for different reasons and you can't change that. Get a netflix account and rent all the indy films you've ever wanted to see, but these comedies that you define as trash, though not terribly sophisticated, make a lot of people laugh. I think that counts for something.

Kyle did you ever say how old you are ?

I dont. This demon takes control of me and tries to save me from watching TV and perverted films. isntead makes me choose to live and not alow myself ridicuelous influence from such "entertainment"

am i the only one who finds entertainment out in the street or in my own family that I dont find "2 hour movie entertainment" fullfilling enough? Why do i keep returning to the street that gives me 4 hour monologues? who dares to sit through that? Who here doesnt see the beauty in non lit locations and being scared to death that the person beside you may be raping every moment of your time even tho you'll be gone soon and have his story but he will still remain, under the bridge, waiting for another to quit watching that movie and find his real story? he just wants to touch you like the movie TRIES to touch you. I know what you're thinking, the real thing isnt as good cause you only got one angle and you cant see your own ass.

about five years ago I turned from 5 to 8. I am still 8.

No, life isn't all movies, but you push yourself and your way of life too hard on everyone else on this forum. Not everyone here just sits around watching stupid movies all day. You always seems so angry about everything on here Kyle. I wonder if it's because you're so confused but have convinced yourself how sure you are of everything. Life is not one big conflict. In the end we all need to make our own decisions. If you spend your whole life critiquing the way everyone else lives theirs you'll feel pretty empty in the end.

I don't disagree with what you're striving for, but I think you have a weird view of films nowadays. Michael Mann is a great director to look at in this situation: Is Heat art or porno, according to you?

And art isn't truth. Art is the farthest thing from truth. Cinema is the farthest thing from "truth". Cinema can be genuine, honest, heartbreaking, mind blowing, and leave your soul shattered, but it's not truth. That goes for documentaries too. Cinema is manipulation, even when the audience is invited to play along. Filmmakers are deep down, twisted, malacious people who's ultimate goal is to present a facade that denies their inner self and instead gives us a creation, an illusion. It spills out of us and comes from every film and experience we've shared. I know I don't consider my creations as a definition of me.

But then, that's just me. When I watch porno, I'm not looking to be challenged, when I watch art, I am. But I still think they sort of both come from the same place. Who knows. All I know is that, according to Woody Allen, even Ingmar Bergman would watch James Bond films to unwind.

Has anyone out there seen Sharkwater yet? Now there's a deep down, twisted, malicious project, eh Hatts?