One of the best American films of the past decade.

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vincent gallo wanted oral sex

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on a serious note i haven't seen it and probably never will considering the intensly negative reviews and word of mouth it got. time is precious.

most seem to view it as a narcisstic love poem to vincent gallo by vincent gallo with a degrading and humilating scene performed by his lead actress.

but feel free to tell me where i'm wrong.

How can you even discuss if it you haven't seen it? I have no respect for people who are unwilling to even watch something before criticizing it.

There's nothing 'humiliating' about acting in a film.

okay, Vincent Gallo is a megalomanic. If you can accept and get over that, his films are good. The whole fellatio scene was blown way out of proportion and ended up ruining his chance of any success with this film. It really speaks to just how similar we are to our puritan ancestors. Who cares if it was simulated or unsimulated. Vincent Gallo doesn't need to write it in a script to get New York scenster actresses to hook him up. This reminds me of the big deal that was made about the Boogie Nights ending and how everybody felt so much better with themselves when they found out that wasn't the real Marky Mark.

That scene aside, I thought the film was okay. It wandered at times, but also felt very heavy handed with it's theme of isolation. But also beautiful and passionate. It certainly didn't get a fair chance and anyone that can handle a sex scene without giggling should check it out. Especially if you liked Buffalo 66.

Evan I hate to pull the hypocrite card but how many of last years films did you skip out on because they were "oscar bait"? The difference is I defended their artistic merit. You just said you had no respect for me and didn't offer any sort of incentive to see a film that was trashed by over half of the critics who saw it including ones that I respect a great deal. But fine have no respect for me. Vincent Gallo still seems like a egotistical pig.

Oh yeah and for people who aren't clear. When Evan says there is nothing humiliating about acting in film. He means there is nothing humiliating about performing oral sex on camera for a film with dubious artistic merit.

What's so humiliating about oral sex?

As joren accurately pointed out, I doubt Vincent Gallo wrote that scene (or made the entire film?!) just because he 'wanted oral sex.'

I didn't 'skip out' on anything. I just didn't make a great effort to see most of the nominated films in the theatre. Also, I had seen several scenes from Crash, which you seem to be implicitly referring to. At that point I didn't feel it necessary to see any more. Also, I had read interviews with Paul Haggis, who is a hack and Hollywood tool. The worst kind of TV muddy-water scum moonlighting as a 'serious filmmaker.' That his 'serious filmmaking' is selfcongratulatory pap for white Los Angelenos with no legitimate statement whatsoever only cements my position.

It's sad that so many people are aghast at the thought of a feature film containing unsimulated sex acts but will happily watch porn all day long.

FWIW, I'm not sure who these critics that you 'respect a great deal' are, but Ebert gave three stars to the recut version that's available on DVD and was in limited release in the US.

The film is beautiful, raw, and honest. Those words apply to so few other American efforts from the past 10 or 15 years that you really owe it to yourself to watch The Brown Bunny if you want to experience real filmmaking.

But you haven't seen Crash, or good night and good luck, or others i can't remember
And if you view Haggis as a hack that's fair

But that makes my views of Gallo as an egotistical prick just as valid.

Yes ebert gave 3 stars to the re-cut version. That's not the version gallo made though. That's version he had to make to survive the booing and hostility he engendered from Cannes. I'm sure he says it's what he wanted. But it wasn't the version he initially presented.

And I have a feeling if I watch the film there will be absolutely NO reason why it had to be actual oral sex. But if you want to spoiler tag it and tell me how the film would be lessened if it was simulated i'm open to hear it.

But I realize that i'm being a jerk so i'll let those who enjoy the movie (and have actually seen it discuss it) and end my posts here.

"That's not the version gallo made though."

im betting Gallo beats off to yourt words

why does sex have to be in films at all? If anything Gallo was making a statement about it, "this is what im getting away with and most likely this is gonna be your favorite part"

Oral sex rules.

Brown bunny was cool too.

I think you're overreacting. There are much worse things laid to film. So Gallo got a BJ from some actress, or maybe he didn't. I don't know, and I don't care. It doesn't make me care any more or less about the movie.

Uh, it is the version Gallo made. The one shown at Cannes was a rough cut and unfinished...

It's funny that you're so instinctively hostile towards this film which you have seen none of.

I personally couldn't care less what you think of Vincent Gallo, but I know my opinion regarding Paul Haggis is correct. The guy is a wanker.

Why are you so offended that the film includes 'real' sex, anyway? If there is no significant difference how is it any worse/different than simulated?

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I know my opinion regarding Paul Haggis is correct. The guy is a wanker.

I concur.

I'm dragging this up again because the (very well mastered, but bare-bones) DVD is only $13 or so. I paid $7 on sale at DDD, but for $13 it's still a great deal. That's the price of two (wasted) tickets to see Superman, which was not good.

Don't miss one of the best American films since the 1970s.

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Originally posted by Evan Kubota:
One of the best American films of the past decade.

I just saw this film today, and I gotta say, you might be right.

ok so you guys got my attention on this movie... someone wanna give me a synopsis of wut the movie is about so i can maybe see it?

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ok so you guys got my attention on this movie... someone wanna give me a synopsis of wut the movie is about so i can maybe see it?

A group of bunnies visit earth and one of them is lost and left behind stranded on this planet. The bunny is found by a 10 year old boy, Elliot. Soon the two begin to communicate, and start a different kind of friendship in which the bunny learns about life on earth and Elliot learns about some new values for the true meaning of friendship. The bunny wants to go home, but if Elliot helps him, he'll lose a friend...

lol hmm sounds familure so who gets head... elliot or the bunny?

It's one man's journey to find himself. That's the best way to describe it while you can still get the most possible out of it. I don't like Gallo as a person, but I think that this film could be a masterpiece.

Meh...this film kind of really, really sucked IMO. His intent to derive deep meditation from his monotonous, poorly shot scenes went bunk right away and the rest was just a drag for me. Didn't like it...respect that you did...but watch Ratcatcher if you want to see a truly profound existential meditation.

Um... can you try to avoid dragging ancient threads up? It's kind of against common forum etiquette to do that. Just check the date line.