I'm copying this from a previous post, and I ask the mods to allow it — I think the film-loving community must know the evil of this film. I want to see this film removed from theaters, literally wiped from the box office, so that we may more quickly forget its existence.

You may think you're going to see just a popcorn movie, but you're wrong. You may think it'll be a fun little homage to the originals, but you're wrong. This movie will taint the originals a distinct shade of terrible. I will have to spend the rest of my life trying to erase the film from my scarred mind in order to enjoy the true Indiana Jones films.

It really is that bad. Please don't see it — for your own sake, and to send a message to Lucas, Spielberg, and all Hollywood filmmakers that this kind of travesty will not stand.

To be honest, your reaction makes me WANT to see it lol.

Spielberg and Lucas's style and thought on filmmaking have changed since they were younger, but I will still see the movie. I really don't think that Spielberg can create his traditional "popcorn" movies anymore because of the amount of "serious" movies he's made.

I might go this week. I'm not expecting anything amazing and I highly doubt it's going to "taint" my idea of the originals. That's ridiculuous! It's a movie.

I hope Spielberg keeps up what he's doing. He's a brilliant filmmaker. As for Lucas, I'd like to see him move on to something else besides Star Wars... as much as I love ALL of the films, it's time for him to dive into something else besides super sucessful franchises that take in billions and earn him just as much.

They are talented and yes, I can see where people would not like their movies, but when it comes down to it, movies are supposed to be fun - especially films like Indiana Jones. If you take it too seriously, you ruin it.

What exactly was so terrible about it? I haven't seen it, nor am I really a fan of the franchise, or that of Lucas and Spielberg for that matter, but was Jones 4 really a bad movie or are people just disappointed to see something other than the original? Spielberg and Lucas have been raping moviegoers with sub par popcorn movies for decades now. Why should Indiana Jones 4 be any different? I don't expect it to be.

As I said, I'm not a fan of Spielberg or Lucas, but there are tons of other films out right now that are far more deserving of a boycott.

I can see what you mean for your hate of Indy 4, but removing it from the theaters is a little dramatic!

I see this 4th Indy as Coppola's "Godfather 3" or Lucas' "Phantom Menace".

I think it all has to do with referring to the first three movies. Spielberg isn't the same director he was twenty years ago. He isn't using the same DP, the same Harrison Ford, or the same young drive that he had when he was younger. Everything from the storyline to the film stock attempted at being the same as the previous 3 films. In many ways, Spielberg has matured beyond those 3 Indy's so I think that in a way going back to that style was actually bad for him.

All in all, good or bad script or movie, everyone wanted to see it, every studio wants to produce it for the pure fact that it will sell tickets.

I mean last summer was a testament to how awesome movies will do at the box office given how much success was in the series.

I think Indy 4 will be an enormous success financially. Good or bad reviews from critics or fans, people will buy the tickets. "Da Vinci Code" in my opinion was horrible, but the hype behind it was enough to overcome that opinion and do well not only in the US but worldwide.

I saw "Iron Man" the same day I saw Indy 4 and thought "Iron Man" was a better movie by far. I went in hoping to see the "young" Spielberg, but knowing that he wasn't the same director.

No film should deserve boycotting. That's stupid

um, there's already a topic on this

I absolutely disagree that no film deserves boycotting — most don't, but the rules change when you're dealing with a franchise as cherished as Indiana Jones. When a filmmaker creates a character and mythos that becomes so well-loved as Indiana, he/she forfeits the right to do whatever he/she wants with that mythos. A following as intense and widespread as the one behind this series necessitates a level of care, concern, and foresight not needed with most other films. When you give art to the people, and the people truly take hold of it, you lose ownership of that art. And to violate that universal ownership, to so radically alter the universe you created and gave, is something worth dramatic action.


But I'm done with this film. I have begun the process of denying it existence. It is uncalled for, uncouth, and uncanon, and I will no longer participate in any discussion that legitimizes its existence. I apologize if some of you find my reaction too radical, but my emotion and investment in cinema runs as deep as any in the corporeal world.



...what are we even talking about?

It's popcorn. You're mad because you've spent most of your life loving Raiders, etc.

Well, it's not Raiders. But Raiders was popcorn, too.

Christmas, don't call people or their ideas stupid, because that's uncool. You of all people on this forum know that.

The thing is, Indy was never intellectual cinema. It's never been more than popcorn. I love Ford and Connery as much as the next guy, but come on. It sucks, I'm not disputing the fact that Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is a suckass movie in my opinion, but the great thing about cinema is that it means different things to different people.

The people that will or have taken pleasure in this film shouldn't be discarded, or made embarrassed for liking the film.

I love film. But when it comes down to it, its just a movie. Boycotting a film is ridiculous in my opinion. there are millions of Indy fans that absolutely loved the newest film. I'm sure someone thought it lived up to its expectation.

When you deal with franchsises, the rule of the game is simple: you won't win.

I just don't agree with the idea that any film is worth boycotting. To me, that seems a bit close minded.

I'd like to see them given a second chance to make this film the right way...only this time have it directed by Michael Bay

PS: Jayimess, I'm not calling THEIR idea stupid. BOYCOTTING is stupid.

I'd like to see Michael Bay tackle the Indy franchise as well. I love his camera moves

Michael Bay . . . you can't be serious . . .

He makes badass action movies.

You can't deny how cool they are. He might not be on par with Spielberg or Scorsese... but A LOT of his films are awesome. Whether they sucked or not.

I didn't particularly like Pearl Harbor, but there were some scenes in that film that were just brilliantly shot and directed.

Yeah but I mean there's a difference between good popcorn and bad popcorn. I think the thing that's so disappointing about it is just that I wanted the same kind of integrity and inventiveness as the other films.

Part of me really thinks Lucas is to blame, because the writing and premise are obviously so misguided. Everything Lucas touches now turns instantly to garbage.

It's also just frustrating given the kind of money spent on these things. Is it even ethical? Think about how much money was spent on Star Wars episodes 1-3 -- spent to make them and spent to see them -- so three of the worst movies ever could waste our time.

So the whole thing is annoying. I just feel like Spielberg and Lucas have serious taste issues, that they never deliver anymore and they don't even try to deliver, and that they're just greedy jerks taking advantage of us.

So, yeah, it's popcorn. But I don't think that means it's beyond criticism.

I was also really disappointed with Harrison Ford. Spielberg of course shares the blame for his horrible performance, but you'd think Ford would at least have made an effort. He's kind of winking at us through the whole thing: "Yeah, I know this is crap, but I'm going to make it anyway and you're going to buy it anyway. Isn't it cool how you can get kids to spend money on ANYTHING?"

Also, yeah, I think Michael Bay should start systematically remaking every movie ever made, starting with the good ones. Because I was just thinking last week how the only thing missing from Apocalypse Now is that special Michael Bay touch, that magic that just squirts right out of him all over everything.

No matter what its already grossed over 50 million dollars within the first two days.

They're doing something right.

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Also, yeah, I think Michael Bay should start systematically remaking every movie ever made, starting with the good ones. Because I was just thinking last week how the only thing missing from Apocalypse Now is that special Michael Bay touch, that magic that just squirts right out of him all over everything.

While he's at it lets have him do Once Upon a Time in the West as well.

Just dropping by to offer a couple of ickle observations:

1) While spectacularly ineffective as a tool, film boycotts can, indeed, serve a valid purpose--after all, while one should be willing to listen to any speech, it doesn't necessarily follow that one must indiscriminately enrich all speakers. I don't think we should subsidize companies or individuals whom we find immoral or dangerous. That's only right.

I am, however, unsure what purpose boycotting "Indiana Jones" might serve. These movies are the junk food of cinema; to "boycott" them due to a lousy entry seems rather like boycotting Fritos because they changed the seasonings. It trivializes the very notion of a boycott.

2) I'd like to be the first to roundly deny how "cool" Michael Bay's "films" are. To quote Gordie, "Does the word retarded mean anything to you?"

--IA

EDITED TO ADD: Oh, please, Mark; they could have openly called it "Indiana Jones and the Cynical Merchandizing Scheme" and it would still have grossed $50 million. Are you being willfully obtuse here, or do you really not understand how high-hype action sequels perform at the B.O.?

Michael Bay should redo Bambi, because it would make it more epic