Holy ****e! that was amaaaaaaazzzzzzzziiiiing! You may not have liked it, but I loved it! I'm a gonna see it again! That was spectacular!

To all but one.
To one but all.
you know what's funny?
Watching Brent fall!

I just got home from seeing it a couple hours ago....and the first thing that I think is that, well....that was NOT a comic book movie. This was a dramatic art movie about the tragedy of larger than life characters and how they represent the turmoil and inner feelings we have. This was not some flashy piece of entertainment in any way, shape, or form. Ang Lee went out and created a personal story of struggle and loneliness, and delivered the goods in spades.

The Hulk was just so tragic. Here is a man that cannot open up to the world, he has shut out all feelings of his childhood and the pain it has caused him. And when the accident with gamma radiation occurs, it triggers not just rage, but thoughts and ideas of the past that he wishes he could forget. He does not wish to have these powers, he is cursed with them. It shows that anger is only a feeling, nothing more. That there are powers in life, whether it be true love or desperate despair, that can overcome ones inner pain.

Yes, this is MUCH more than a comic book movie, it paints a portrait of a lost soul who tries to find himself amidst all his demons. This is my favorite comic book movie ever made, not because it delivers the goods in action so much (which it does by the way), but because it's such a captivating, meaningful story that is well-acted and superbly directed.

The visual style sets it apart from past comic book adaptations, and the editing, while a little overdone at times, does nothing but keep your eyes glued to the screen and your attention on full alert.

Ang Lee, you created something wonderful. There are moments in this movie that just make me so grateful for film. When the Hulk is in San Francisco and is surrounded by countless soldiers, and among them he sees Betty, and instantaneously his anger vanishes and he becomes Banner again, and they meet......wow, pure cinematic bliss, and that's just one of many scenes I could talk about.

I love this movie, I love its ambition, I love what it tried to set out to do. It has its flaws, but Ang Lee tried dammit, and I can't ask for anything more.

Yeah, with enough soap, one could blow up just about anything.

^^^^ Sounds like a scene from an overrated movie, right there. Especially the part about "Ang Lee tried damnit, and I can't ask for anything more."

I'm going to see the movie this week.

"Don't breathe or I'll kill you!"

I don't know how you can say it's not a comic book movie. It is absolutely THE COMIC BOOK MOVIE. Many adaptations from comic book to cinema screen have been attempted. This is the only one that truly delivers a movie in comic book form. The split screens are arranged like pannels on a comic book page, the credits are done in a hand-drawn font, when the dude blows himself to pieces it freeze frames him and outlines him in white while the explosion rages behind him -- PURE GENIUS. Awesome film.

By the way, Ang Lee "crosses the line" about 20 BILLION times in this movie...and gets away with it. The most i've ever seen it done in a polished film.

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By the way, Ang Lee "crosses the line" about 20 BILLION times in this movie...and gets away with it. The most i've ever seen it done in a polished film.

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Cool to see someone else caught that. I actually mentioned this on another forum. He crossed the line with jump cuts no less. The first few times it really jolted me, but started getting a feel across as time went on. I have always said, "In order to break the rules, you must first undersatand them." I have also said, "I believe all rules (of film) can be broken, or atleast bent." Ang Lee proved that with this film.

My only complaint was that at times it seemed like the editor was using every transition efect he had in th system, save the ever iritating page curl. Some of those effects seemed over done. That, and the gamma ray exposure effect could have been cooler. He went for comic book on that one. I would like to have seen movie special effects instead. If you havent seen it, check it out. There are some definite film making muscles flexed here.
R. Michael

"Luck, is when opportunity, meets preperation." "There are 3 sides to every story. Yours, mine, and the truth, and none of us are lying" -Robert Evans

If you liked the movie, you should read the comic!

To all but one.
To one but all.
you know what's funny?
Watching Brent fall!

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I don't know how you can say it's not a comic book movie. It is absolutely THE COMIC BOOK MOVIE.

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Compared to ALL other comic book movies (Spiderman, Daredevil, X-men and X2), to me, this is NOT a comic book movie. I mean it is one, but you can clearly see that the Hulk is separated from the group because of what it tries to accomplish. All those past movies I mentioned realized what they were making and try to ham it up. To me, they don't take want to do anything more than just entertain, which is fine, but no seriousness is really attempted, and I mean down to the core, because X2 certainly took itself attempted to take itself seriously. Hulk was just so much more NON-mainstream. Yes, the editing involving the comic book panels and so forth was to pay tribute to the comic book origin of the story, but I stay true to my original statement. This is a tragedy, a dramatic effort that involves a lonesome, angst-ridden man who can express his rage in its purest form. How? By turning into a big green giant. Yes, it is a comic book movie, but it takes itself seriously with what it is presenting. It's message, its acting, it all screams of something much more than just a measly "comic book movie". Not that there is anything wrong with that...

Yeah, with enough soap, one could blow up just about anything.

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Was anyone else a little confused by the last fight? I kind of figured out what was going on, but it was so frigging dark I had trouble noticing any details. And the freaking jelly fish?!!!... okay now I'm about to release spoilers.

alot of people have trouble with that part. I asked a guy on another forum, and we came to the conclusion, that he exploded with all the power and energy.

To all but one.
To one but all.
you know what's funny?
Watching Brent fall!

Hmm, Thats weird SPOILER what I got from the fight with his father was that his father was still alive since that would provide an enemy for future films. If he really did get blown up then thats stupid since It was a perfect setting for "a" next film.

And it seems to be doing very well at the box office althrough reviews towards it have been medicore. I liked it more then spiderman (which wasnt very good in the first place) but I have to say that X-Men and X2 are my favorite of the onslaught of comic book movies. But League of Gentlemen looks like it will fail to me, then again Sean Connery might save it.

I don't know what the hell happened at the end????
All I saw was him fighting his father then I had know idea how he killed him? But the part with the
mutin dogs was cool.


brentbaird.com .

Violation of the line of action, Picture and Picture, a completely irrational Hulk!! I hated it. I know everyone is gonna be mad at me, but come on!! Yes you can bend and even break rules Tizzy, but only when they serve the narritive! This was horrible! And the picture and picture!! Oh man, I thought I was watching an episode of the friggen Brady Bunch! Last but not least the Hulk himself. One minute he is 10 feet tall, the next he is 132 feet tall, and Is falling from space. I hated the movie. I sincerely hope Ang Lee never works in Hollywood again.

P.S.- Oh, and when the guy gets blown up in the lab, and it freeze frames and out-lines him. I know that they tried to make it a "Comic Book" feeling movie, but that was just ludicris! If i wanted to read a friggen comic book I would have read a comic book, not went to the movies. Complete waste of $7.25

"Pain is temporary, Film is forever"-Peter Jackson

Ok, the picture in picture im with you on. I think it totally disconnected any emotional impact some scenes might otherwise have had. I lumped this into the whole "over edited" thing. The line crossing I think worked though. It did serve the narrative. It was done mainly during scenes that were confusing to the character recieving information, or when bruce was experiencing emotional strain due to his repressed memories.

The Hulk did fluctate in size given how angry he was, but he was never 100 and whatever feet tall. When he impacted the water he was roughly the size of a small box truck 16' or so. (which is the proportion he has in the comic) The muscle texture, and environment interaction the CG Hulk had was better than anything else to date, so I give them props on that.

As for Ang Lee never working in Hollywood again, fat chance. Honestly I think he was spitting in the face of many film making "rules" and I appreciate him for it. Some worked, others did not. Either way, you need only look to his previous work to see what a genius film maker he is. If the movie bombed at the box office (which it wont) he still woukld have a job based on past success.

R. M.

"Luck, is when opportunity, meets preperation." "There are 3 sides to every story. Yours, mine, and the truth, and none of us are lying" -Robert Evans

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I just got home from seeing it a couple hours ago....and the first thing that I think is that, well....that was NOT a comic book movie. This was a dramatic art movie about the tragedy of larger than life characters and how they represent the turmoil and inner feelings we have. This was not some flashy piece of entertainment in any way, shape, or form. Ang Lee went out and created a personal story of struggle and loneliness, and delivered the goods in spades.

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Indeed it was quite ambitious, but this film defines comic book film. Every comic book has multiple depthed characters that all take a mythological stand point (in this case it's the classic Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde). It was a drama, but it was definitely a comic book film.

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Yes, this is MUCH more than a comic book movie, it paints a portrait of a lost soul who tries to find himself amidst all his demons. This is my favorite comic book movie ever made, not because it delivers the goods in action so much (which it does by the way), but because it's such a captivating, meaningful story that is well-acted and superbly directed.

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I'm still quite indifferent about the film(I'll give it a second viewing). But in a way i felt Ang Lee forces this film to be a comic book. It's a high profile drama, with editing and art direction like a comic. It's such an odd contrast that makes a beautiful film. The story was very interesting, but I found myself leaving the theatre with questions, such as:
SPOILERS

1.) What is the explosion that is seen in all of the flashback scenes
2.) Why is the relationship between the two fathers so hostile?

I also felt that Lee fell in love with Nolte, he had way too much screentime, and so did Connolly when she was in her empathy faces, that would last for too long and happened more than often

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The visual style sets it apart from past comic book adaptations, and the editing, while a little overdone at times, does nothing but keep your eyes glued to the screen and your attention on full alert.

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The art direction makes this film a comic book. Look at the Miltary base, the prime colors were (vibrant) blue, red, and yellow, all contrasting with the other most important color green(Hulk), the whole desert sequences had such an odd art feel to it as if it were a painting(or comic book drawing) with stable structures that looked like they were melting and how all the colors blended, except for Hulk. San Francisco, was a brilliant choice, I couldn't have imagined it anywhere else. It also had somewhat of a Chinese cinema feel to it (i.e. the helicopters reminded me of grasshoppers).
The editing was truly magnificent, didn't take away, just added more to the overwhelming feel that this is a comic book.

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I love this movie, I love its ambition, I love what it tried to set out to do. It has its flaws, but Ang Lee tried dammit, and I can't ask for anything more.

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I'm also glad he tried, it was very ambitious and although more than half the population of the general public are going to hate it, he may have made one of the best comic book films ever made(but I have to see it again).

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he is 10 feet tall, the next he is 132 feet tall, and Is falling from space.

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This was my sarcasam coming through Tizzy. I must say yes I do appreciate the fact that he did something different, and spit in the face of Hollywood so-to-speak, but when you go to film school, and have it drilled into your mind DONT VIOLATE YOUR LINE OF ACTION, It tends to get a little annoyed. I talked to like twenty people after the movie, and they had no past knowledge of film, and they found it to just be confusing. And most the time he did picture and picture, it was the exact same shot as the other one. I just hated it, but thanks for keeping me humble bro.

"Pain is temporary, Film is forever"-Peter Jackson

I haven't seen it yet but from what I hear and what I've seen in the trailers, I don't think I'm missing much.

I didn't really like the movie either but it had it's moments. But it just took to long to get to
anything good. It is like this the first part of
the movie is pretty boring, but then there is a 25
minute period that has some pretty good action. But over all I didn't really like the film.


brentbaird.com

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2.) Why is the relationship between the two fathers so hostile?

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1.) Banner Sr. set off a self destruction sequence I think, thats what I thought happened, I never questioned that part.

2.) The hostile relationship between the two fathers is BECAUSE of said explosion caused by Banner Sr. and how he experimented with human genes when told specifically not to. He put into danger the general's daughter (Betty) and thousands of others. And for punishment? Put into military prison for 30 years. I think those are reasons to be hostile enough.

Yeah, with enough soap, one could blow up just about anything.

Kris. No humbling required. I understand where your coming from. The line thing drove me nuts aboout the first 3 times, and then i started dissecting it. All in all, I couldnt complain much. I mean, this isnt exactly an Oscar contender. On a side note, you know The Hulk is going to recieve an award at next years MTV movie awards. Goofy.

R. M.

"Luck, is when opportunity, meets preperation." "There are 3 sides to every story. Yours, mine, and the truth, and none of us are lying" -Robert Evans

I didn't know Lee edited his own films? Hmmmmmm maybe he doesn't

Besides filming, the only other thing I ever did good was filming.