Alot of the films on this site are very similiar to Guy Rithie, Quentin Tarntino, and Kevin Smith films. Does anyone else notice this? I generally have nothing against these filmmakers but there influence on the student film populace is ridicoulus.
Guy Rithie- His films carry snazzy editing, sharp dialouge, and fast, somethimes intellegent action. He also seems to have an interest for character quirks. So many copy this style, of the cool smooth talking gang. The fast editing, although is the main contributor. And most usually these films turn into an excercise of style over substance. The audience doesn't have ADD, you could tone it down, or make a music video.
Quentin Tarentino- A new filmmaker who isn't afraid to be overly violent, but in a stylized manner. His films are generally somewhat odd, and massively entertaing. "I have a gun, let's make a movie", if you ever uttered this phrase in pre-production, don't make the film. Alot of films have used the excuse of being violent and having a gun to have a story. The story could be violent, but the film in nature doesn't have to be if it's "cool" because ultimately, it's irrelavent.
Kevin Smith- His lo-finess paved the way for student films after the unbelievable success of "Clerks". He used witty and funny dialouge to keep people coming back for more. Also extreme randomness. Not too many, but again, alot try to come up with similiar conversations to cheat their way out of dialogue. While it might not be pointless and unfunny in a Kevin Smith film, it would most likely be in yours. lso don't put random stuff in a film, if you know it has no meaning.
Alot of the films on this site are good. I haven't seen one that has copied any of the directors style completely, but there are enough references. I mean, these are all cliche's for a reason, because they work. And some students just don't know anything else better to do. I just want to stop this trend before it becomes to big. Sorry for ranting so long, I just had to get it out.
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Posts: 54 | Location: United States | Registered: April 20, 2003
Good point, but I'd say Tarantino's dialogue is superior to Smith's. I guess subject to opinion if you want to come down to it.
So you're saying less movies with guns is a good idea? I'd agree in some cases, but if the story is good and entertaining and done well... I'd say do whatever.
Posts: 2059 | Location: Sacramental | Registered: April 24, 2003
Have you even seen a f****** Tarantino movie? Do you even know who he is?
quote: Quentin Tarentino- A new filmmaker who isn't afraid to be overly violent, but in a stylized manner. His films are generally somewhat odd, and massively entertaing.
NEW? Andy et you don't mention "new" with Ritchie who hasn't been doing films as long as Tarantino. Tarantino has been doing films for ten years now.
I don't really see Tarantino's movies that violent...go watch the 'Living Dead' series and that's when you'll discover what a violent movie is. Christ Sake, a guy gets his bottom torso ripped off by twenty Zombies while still alive...the most violent part in Pulp Fiction is a guy getting his head blown off, yet we never actually see his head explode...just a lot of blood.
With the guns, i just think that there should be a story that compliments the guns, not just to base a story for the fact that you have a gun. It's one of the newest movie genre's "slacker with a gun"
thanks for the reply
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Posts: 54 | Location: United States | Registered: April 20, 2003
Yes I have seen a Tarentino film, and I have enjoyed it. I don't care much for the violence, but I don't hate "Pulp Fiction". i'm not dissing Tarentino. i didn't mention the overly violent films like "Evil Dead" and "Army of Darkness", because those are parodies in the first place, there not meant to take seriously(neither is "Pulp Fiction" but you know what I mean.
Rithie is newer, but I was talking about a new kind of filmmaker, Guy Rithie is just your standard filmmaker.
What I was saying is films are violent for no reason. If there is reason, then iit's fine.
thanks for the reply.
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Posts: 54 | Location: United States | Registered: April 20, 2003
You're not disrespecting Tarantino by not liking a film of his, It's cool...
But as for the violence, a lot of it happens offscreen. Flock of seagulls is not the focus of attention when he's shot. We don't see Bret getting torn apart by bullets, just MSs of Jules and Vincent. We don't see Maynard getting stuck with the katana. Violence wise we see Zed getting shot with a shotgun and Vincent getting pumped full of lead. Both brief.
Even in Reservoir dogs we don't SEE the ear getting cut off... there is a lot of blood from Mr. Orange though so that could be violence.
Someone correct me or add something.
Posts: 2059 | Location: Sacramental | Registered: April 24, 2003
Yeah...Tarantino's movies have more IMPLIED violence...Kill-Bill will most likely be really violent though. More onscreen action with heads being cut of 'n sh**.
I think you may be looking too much into it and TRYING to see simularities. A lot of movies are going to be simular sometimes, but I don't really too many things on here are ripping off another directors style. even if they do... my film style has been inspired by a mix of many directors... im sure thats the same for other people too becuz u have to learn somewhere and if you love the way the direct your bound to have at least a few simularities to them becuz u are amazed when you see one of their films
It's kinda like what people thought of "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" Everybody did, & still does, think it's a really gory/violent movie...but it's violence mostly is implied or happens off screen.
Tarantino likes to take movies no one has ever heard of, and no one will ever probably see, & takes lines, situations, characters & such and puts them into his own shiznit. He took the Ezekiel 25:17 speech from Sonny Chiba's "The Bodyguard" And in his next film, "Kill-Bill" he even took a Kung-Fu master sort of dealie from Shaw Brothers movies known as Pai Mai and is now using him as his own character. Point is, he rips off situations & crap like I said above from movies but changes the, or puts them, into something better...kinda like what M. Night did with Signs except he hardly changed anything.
Quentin took som major parts of the film "City on Fire" with Chow Yun Fat, and made "Reservoir Dogs" Some people call this a rip-off. I call it a rip-off...but the big difference is I'd rather watch Reservoir Dogs any old day of the f****** week than city on Fire (since it was a bad movie) Now some people will ask, "Then why do you hate signs if M Night did the same as Tarantino? Ripping off movies?" Well, same as above...I'd rather watch all those movies M Night ripped off into Signs rather than watching Signs; From Dusk Till Dawn, Night of the Living Dead, War of the Worlds..ect.
Tarantino ripped off LITTLE known films...M Night ripped off WELL known films.
We also see that things like 'The boxer who's supposed to throw the fight and doesn't', 'Gangster taking bosses wife out but can't touch her', and 'Gangsters going somewhere for some reason to kill someone to get something' have been done more times then I know of, and at least arn't the most original things ever.
...Zed and Maynard are straight outta deliverance too.
Posts: 2059 | Location: Sacramental | Registered: April 24, 2003
i can't remember names, for this i=has been bugging me ever since I discovered this site. But for easy reference alot f stuuf posted in the the thriller genre has obvious resemblences, sorry i can't support my cause well, but i'll look again, becasue i saw at least three.
To what you were saying about Tarentino. Tarentino does use ideas, but he does more as a homage than a rip-off(i.e. his upcoming, "Kill Bill", is a tribute to kung-fu films). And we both share a dislike for M Night. What really pissed me off is when people compare him to Hitchcock, those are two names that don't belong in the same sentence
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Posts: 54 | Location: United States | Registered: April 20, 2003
It's kinda like baking a cake. He bakes the cake. A big round piece of cake...no frosting yet...just the cake. The cake is all his ideas he decided to rip-off from other films. Then he puts the frosting. That's HIS originality & dialogue. When people are eating cake. They are tasting the frosting, no one cares about the f****** actual "cake" portion. Same thing when watching his movies...they notice the dialogue & originality & forget about the rip-off sh** because your too distracted by the frosting...er...I mean originality/dialogue. "
"Signs" was just the cake. No frosting. Not even any f****** sprinkles