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made it feel like a disney channel movie.

That's exactly what we were aiming for. Literally, we used those words, "A disney channel movie." We weren't trying to push any boundaries here...just a simple story with something for everyone to enjoy.

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Originally posted by funkbomb:
That's exactly what we were aiming for. Literally, we used those words, "A disney channel movie."

Mission Accomplished

Pay no heed to these deviants, these philistines, nay-sayers, bah-humbugs of the forums! You've done something really great, and that's made a not just coherent, watchable short film - a feat in itself on this site - but an incredibly well-shot one. Keep up the good work. They're just jealous that their films are crappy.

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Originally posted by mmrempen:
They're just jealous that their films are crappy.

Correction: my films are non-existent. That doesn't mean I can't criticize his films. That's what's most fun. And your response mmrempen, by the way, should be your 200th post. Congrats, I guess, I don't really know what kind of accomplishment it is. But anyway, congrats.

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Originally posted by "Fuc*in Fascist!":
I didn't hate it, but I didn't find it particularly good.

What a weak, middle of the road cowardly comment. I didn't hate it, but I didn't like it? Were you wearing an ascott and toking a pipe when you wrote that? At least have the balls to have a clear opinion, the fact you commented on it at all shows its superiority tickled your insecurities enough to make an effort to belittle it.

Sorry but after your self admssion that you don't have work to speak of, yet spew half hearted passive agressive statement that has the backbone of a wet noodle you need a homestyle attitude adjustment.

And yes your opinion means less if you have no work. It makes you a hack wannabe.

This was a good movie that deserves a forum that dosn't turn into a pissing contest with a nonfilmmaker, so FF don't post some lame reply to me unless at the bottom you provide a link to a short film you made, but i bet you can't resist.

It's okay, I just skip over Fascist's posts. I find a lot of the nay-sayers on this site don't have films up, not just FF. And let's be honest, the majority of our future audiences aren't filmmakers.

Really, I don't mind FF flooding these forums with his ambiguous, double-talking rhetoric and pointless negative idioms, I just remind myself of the thread where he's pleading for help with disabling a speed monitoring system his dad installed on his "sweet ride."

http://forums.studentfilms.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/71310...1056624?r=9031056624

Still need help FF? I can't imagine why someone like your father, who paid for the damn thing, and cares about you like any normal parent, would ever dream of wanting to make sure you don't kill yourself. Your idiosyncratic stupidity and lack of maturity is so brilliantly charming, I can't help but take seriously every...single...word...you...say.

Impress me and don't respond.

PS. RED your post cured my constipation, I laughed that hard.

Also mmrempen, thank you for your comments! I can appreciate how difficult to watch some student films can be. Lifeguard was an exercise in avoiding this difficulty.

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Allow me to bottomline this for both of you. I have seen many of the films on this site. Some are good, others I find particularly good, many are downright awful, however most fall somewhere in between. That's how I felt about this particular film. That doesn't make me right or necessarily wrong, but I did give reasons for how I felt, and justified my reasoning. The fact that you are attacking my bid to disable a TRACKING DEVICE that my Nazi father placed in my car only enrages me and should help to serve to undermine your position. It is backhanded and sneaky, and it reminds me of Joe Rogan. I love how everyone on this site becomes ridiculously combative whenever someone is critical of their films. THEY ARE NOT THAT GREAT, FOLKS, get over yourselves. I understand you want to make a great piece of film, and you truly believe you have, however, I find that your films are lacking. That goes for you funkbomb, as well as most of the folks posting films on this site. I understand you're all simply learning your craft, but you should as well. Either way, I'm not here to impress you funkbomb, as you have not paid me any kind of similar compensation. What I do hope to offer you is some constructive criticism of your film to possibly help you develop as a filmmaker with an actual audience response. Let's remember one thing: most audience members have not made films of any kind. I am your target! The fact that you don't please probably resonates to the pitch of a dog whistle, but nonetheless you should look beyond your preconceived notions about my opinions or beliefs, and possibly take into consideration the opinions of those who you should be working to please.

Good point, actually.

Okay, there is way too much personal attacking going on in here for 4 am.

Like I already said, in my previous post, that'd be the post right above yours,

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the majority of our future audiences aren't filmmakers.

Allow me to bottomline this for you.
Your criticisms are not helpful.

Artists do not work solely to please others. If you think I am blind to my own faults as a filmmaker you're fooling yourself.

You're brash, caustic, and immature. Your previous posts as I have mentioned display this.

I said those things not because you're critical of my work; I didn't even write the thing (note the credits). If you want to attach my name to it in that respect for your own uses, fine. I seem to be getting some praise here and there for my editing and cinematography, which, while nice, is disappointing as critique is one of the few ways to improve and seems to be lacking in those areas.

Taking into consideration the opinions of those who one should be pleasing is not a possibility; it is a fact and a requirement of filmmaking with any aspirations of profit. However, I'm not interested in making the next Norbit so...

My "preconceived notions about your opinions or beliefs" comes from along line of horrendously rude and degrading posts written by yourself on this very board that serve no purpose but to inflame the original author to which you are responding.

The Lifeguard, as I have repeatedly said before, is nothing special. It is simply a small filmmaking exercise over the summer we did for fun. Yet you seem to think I believe it's the greatest thing since the Great Train Robbery. Again, if you want to stuff words in my mouth to puff yourself up, I wouldn't expect any less from you.

To be honest, I really can't stand you and how you consistently degrade the quality of these boards.

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Originally posted by "Fuc*in Fascist!":
What I do hope to offer you is some constructive criticism of your film

From the absolute depths of your ignorance where do you find personal qualifications to cast dispersions; is it just because you watch movies?

And i still don't see a link to any of your work, just more ramblings on "audience" and what you represent as a viewer and something about Joe Rogan(?). This is a site for struggling filmmakers not parasitic wannabee critics. Of course these films arn't all top-notch and to expect that would be like going into an italian retauraunt and complaining about the smell of marinara.

the reviews are your place to give your lame little 2 cents, but this thread was an opportunity for us to ask questions about the film not make wide spread dispersions. And I got news for you bro, you don't represent the general audience as most don't have daddy bought cars and such.

You were called out and had nothing to offer in return. that is a hack move. You should see the uneditd version of this post.

p.s Maybe your pop could fund my next movie and I'll give you a producer credit? What do you say you F*ing Fascist?

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I seem to have found myself unnecessarily attacked right now. I'm not sure about how I'm being "immature" or whatever other poseur pseudo-intellectual insults you decided to throw out there, REDking, and funkbomb, but what I do know is that I gave a slightly critical response to your film, The Lifeguard, and all of the sudden I was ambushed by 2 film school girlfriends looking to pick on someone who maybe has accumulated less nonsensical film knowledge. I'm not sure if it was to stroke your collective egos, or what, but I've found extremely bothersome and particularly offensive. Allow me to go back to what I said. I said of your film

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"I didn't hate it, but I didn't find it particularly good. The actual imagery and direction/cinematography was fantastic, but the script lacked a whole lot, and the soundtrack made it feel like a disney channel movie. It felt way too prominent for the feel I thought you were trying to capture.

I don't see why I have to either love a film or completely loathe it, REDking? I gave him praise where I felt it was neccesary, and criticized what I didn't find particularly enjoyable? He responded by saying he WANTED to create a disney channel movie type of feel, to which I responded, and I admit it was slightly tongue-in-cheek, but nonetheless true, "Mission Accomplished." That's where this could've ended, but mmreppen decided to take it a step further, to which I felt the need to defend myself. I've been honest, in that I've made no films, but I also feel like I have a right to comment, as the only requirement is that I register for this site, which I clearly have. All you have to do funkbomb, is completely disregard what I say, and take none of it into consideration instead of organizing your filmboy posse to take aim with their collective DVX-100's and take me down.

I didn't work on this film so there was never any personal angle for me. i don't even know Funk beyond a few posts on this site, so again you're wrong. I was just calling you out to see if you were actually a filmmaker or a wannabee.

Where's that link bro?

Y'all really know how to create complete chaos no matter what the topic is...I wonder what the hell happens when you all "discuss" in real life.

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Originally posted by REDking:
Where's that link bro?

First off, I'm still 16 and still in highschool, so making films isn't exactly the easiest thing to do. I plan to make films in the future, but that's entirely irrelevent to any of this. I don't try to say I understand most technical points of filmmaking, so I do not concern myself with it. You were calling me out? What is this You Got Served? Come on REDking you just sound like a complete fool when you say things like that, try toning it down and attempt to be the mature individual you seem to think you are.

Ahh the high road eh? ok I'll do it for my probation officer.

yes i got worked up, (remember when i called you a hack wannabe) but I felt very strongly on this subject because of the amount of pain and effort that goes into making a film. And especially on this film (the lifegaurd) as it was very well done. And the idea that it would be bashed so brazenly was mind boggling! Plus read the whole thread and see how you're comment comes out of left field. Everyone was asking questions and getting info giving reasonable feedback and you plodded along and dropped a comment like "I didn't find it particularly good" It was simply a bit harsh and not constructive.

FF, One day you'll make a film and you'll understand how maddening it is that some one can just take a sh*t (I mean critique) your work and have no sort of background to base those opinions. And you can't expext the person to just sit idle and take the comments. I just felt it was important to qualify yourself and your opinions, and as it turned out you had very little experience in the field. that's all.

How'd i do with the high road! It felt all wrong.

But let's get back to the film itself as i apologize for my part in distracting from a great little film called The Life Gaurd.

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FF gave a pretty honest review, it was constructive. The tongue-in-cheek response to the "disney channel movie" thing was just a light hearted joke, funkbomb can take it.

Go look at Ebert or Roeper's filmography to see if they really qualify under everyone's definition of a "qualified" film critic.

As for the response to your film it seems people really appreciate the effort put forward technically, and would prefer something on the other end of things. What they dislike about the short are the things you liked, it wasn't meant to be a scenery chewing Oscar movie, just a fun entertaining experience which it was. Nobody seems to be calling this a piece of **** because of that, just different tastes.

It doesn't help to annoy and attack the few people who do review, whether it is from the filmmaker himself, or defenders of the film (which it is in this case). You need all the reviews you can get, especially the honest and constructive ones. FF's review was short but well focused and precise to what he felt about it from his position. I agree with him and his positive, yet honest and constructive observations. Perhaps you would prefer to get more reviews from the likes of jim jimson? Otherwise watch, all of you, watch how you treat people who are an important part of the learning process at studentfilms.com, whether they have a speed monitoring system, "sweet ride" or not, it's the words they say that carry the most weight and value.

Fair enough I see your point, but at what point does a statement "i didn't find it particularly good" become constructive? And how do you equate Ebert and Roper, critics with a long history of published work to a 16 year old kid mashing on his dads computer?

My point is sometimes folks think, just because they have a keyboard, they can spew whatever they want, qualified or not. I had a hunch this kid hadn't created much of anything and I was proven correct. Therefore his opinion lost merit and the glib manner he communicated it I felt deserved a straightforward response.

But i agree that exposure is the a good goal to have and as many reviews as possible is a great way to go, even if they are from neophytes.

And I must thank FF as I'm procrastinating on a school audio project and this thread is a great way not to do my work!

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I was really trying to refrain from posting, but I have to say this.

I have lost respect for nearly everyone on this site. Someone in charge, like Perry, or Josh... shut this thread off. It's had enough.

Tyler

Let's sum this up.

Facist, who is guilty of almost everything he is accused of, actually SAID NOTHING WRONG IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Red is out of line.

Fascist is ALSO out of line.

Ben's just trying to talk about his film.

Pan's Labyrinth has won two Oscars so far.

This thread is locked.

It's snowing in NYC.