i posted a topic today about how overrated The Lost Soldiers, I believe I had some constructive criticsm and no one who followed up said anything offensive. so why was it deleted? somebody says something that's out of the ballpark about a popular film here on the site and the message gets deleted? what the hell?

Oooh, tisk tisk tisk (is that how you spell it?)...Raving on and using expletives gets you nowhere.

Why don't you go back and calmly edit your post while you still can?

"Don't breathe or I'll kill you!"

Ok, What the hell is right...

I didn't agree with Big Budget but I don't see WHY it was deleted. What made this needed to be deleted? He wanted to discuss the film, and for some reason he's censored. What kind of a place is this where you say something negative, support it with facts, then it's censored (deleted)?

I liked the Lost Soldiers, I didn't agree with Big Budget, but I don't see why it would be needed to be a deleted topic.

I think thats pretty messed up.

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by Kyle Johnson

I didn't delete it. Don't know why it is gone.

-Chris
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i last checked it around 24 hours ago and I don't think anything deserved deleting. though, while I was gone, maybe someone said a whole bunch of naughty words. oh well.

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First off BigBudget if you check your e-mail you will find a private topic from me stating hy it was deleted.

The forum isnt for bashing other members or there films. Had someone started a topic like "The Lost Soldiers is the best film ever" and you said, "No it sucked" thats fine, but the thread was created to diminish both the popularity of the film, and the film maker. Thats not cool. I didnmt go after it because no one complained, then you made a statment to the effect of, " besides that film had the most **** sucking i have ever seen." That got it deleted all togethere. That is the furthest thing from constructive criticisim, as it screams imaturity.

For the record i have only deleted posts on a few ocassions and all but one other was because they were multiple clone posts and werent necessary. If you didnt like the movie, put it in the review. If someone else holds it up to what you feel is an unfair level you have the right to state your case. An unprovoked attack is another story. We are all here to support one another. Lets try to do so.
R. Michael

"Luck, is when opportunity, meets preperation." "There are 3 sides to every story. Yours, mine, and the truth, and none of us are lying" -Robert Evans
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Go tizzy, seriously though all you kids have way too loose meanings with the word "constructive".

I hate this. I really dont want to come off like the "poe-poe" and I dotn like deleting threads but it was just the type of thing that began the unpleasantness this board experienced some time back.

I dont think BigBudget was doing it to be mallicious. His opinion is valid and his own, but its "constructivness" was in question from the start and it was steadily declining. I had a choice to make, and made it. I dont want anyone to feel unwelcome, and you cant know the rules if no one tells you so there ya go.
R. Michael

"Luck, is when opportunity, meets preperation." "There are 3 sides to every story. Yours, mine, and the truth, and none of us are lying" -Robert Evans
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so limme get this sttraight tizzy, if somene posts a topic of their OPINION related to how much they LIKED a movie its okay, but when someone posts a topic of their OPINION about how much they DISLIKED a film its suddenly a nuclear holocaust? holy **** i hated that movie, gave my points, and nothing awful happened.
and no tizzy i said "theres a lot of ****sucking on these forums", not in the film...and that statement is true, Skoats proved it perfectly. thanks bro.
anyway, im gonna post another topic on the lost soldiers, i was constructive the first time but this time ill be ULTRA politically correct.

[This message was edited by TizzyEntertainment on September 15, 2003 at 07:01 AM.]

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and no tizzy i said "theres a lot of ****sucking on these forums

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true that.

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[This message was edited by TizzyEntertainment on September 15, 2003 at 07:02 AM.]

Oral pleasure in the forum? Woah now that's a different kind of student film. - couldn't help my self. :P

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Originally posted by BigBudgetPlease:
so limme get this sttraight tizzy, if somene posts a topic of their OPINION related to how much they LIKED a movie its okay, but when someone posts a topic of their OPINION about how much they DISLIKED a film its suddenly a nuclear holocaust? holy **** i hated that movie, gave my points, and nothing awful happened.
and no tizzy i said "theres a lot of ****sucking on these forums", not in the film...and that statement is true, Skoats proved it perfectly. thanks bro.
anyway, im gonna post another topic on the lost soldiers, i was constructive the first time but this time ill be ULTRA politically correct.

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Yep you nailed it on the nead there buddy boy. Dont like it? Go to another forum. Im not here to hold your hand and write things in crayon so you might understand them better. Your statment regardless of its intention is prohibited period. Dont like the fact you cant use language like that here? See the above mentioned suggestion.

How simple does it have to be? There is a review system for a reason. You can say whatever you wish there (aside from just "It sucks")If someone posts a thread stating something is the greatest ever, or a film maker request the members opinions in a thread then they set themselves up for it. Otherwise a post simply saying all the reasons a film was bad isnt allowed. Had you said, "But the cinematography was good, as was the composition. I just dont get why people have made such a big deal" that would have been fine. Get it? If not, I go for the trifecta. Find another board. That applys to any and all who might have a problem with the way things are set up here (::Glances at Kyle who gives him the finger:: )
R. Michael

"Luck, is when opportunity, meets preperation." "There are 3 sides to every story. Yours, mine, and the truth, and none of us are lying" -Robert Evans
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the reviews allow you to write a review and occasionally someone will respond but thats it. on the forums it allows people to respond to you.
are we a bunch of pansies that can't take criticism? this divison of the forums is Films On The Site and you're telling me I can't post anything negative? thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
and no Tizzy I don't need you to hold my hand, im very well aware of what im saying and doing, im just a little shocked people get sensored so much here.

...People hardly EVER get censored.

"Don't breathe or I'll kill you!"

This is censorship? Ok, whatever.

Last time, very slowly. IT WAS DECIDED THAT PUTTING DOWN ANOTHER MEMBER OR THEIR FILM WHEN UN PROVOCATE (OR OTHERWISE NOT REQUESTED IE: POSTS LIKE "REVIEW MY FILM") WAS NOT SOMETHING WANTED ON THE BOARDS. THIS IS A PLACE TO ENCOURAGE EACHOTHER, NOT BREAK EACHOTHER DOWN.

Why does anyone other than the film maker need to hear your thoughts? If someone here said, "I love Lost Soldiers" and you said, "Well I hate it." but to just blast off with "I dont like said film" is NOT constructive. If you were truly trying to be constructive and help out the film maker you could contact them directly with a private topic. Im done, this is tired already. It is what it is.
R. M.

"Luck, is when opportunity, meets preperation." "There are 3 sides to every story. Yours, mine, and the truth, and none of us are lying" -Robert Evans
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so i take it you think filmmakers should live in a blissfull world where nobody says anything negative? come on!
if we wanted to be helpful to the filmmakers we should encourage people to speak their minds. This Films on
the Site should be, and has been, used to discuss and critique films here on studentfilms.com. So why the hell
are you telling me I can't state my opinon when hundreds of other people are doing the same thing. I backed my
opinion up with references, it was a helluva lot more helpful than this review on the Lost Soldiers:
"Wonderfull my friends keep it up!

- D C

1. Acting *****
2. Cinematography *****
3. Directing *****
4. Editing *****
5. Screenplay *****"
I meant no disrespect to Thomas or anyone else who worked on that film, this has become less and less about Lost Soldiers
and more and more about opinions. Starting a topic related to how much you disliked a film, but support it with good reason as
I felt I did in my FIRST topic on this (MAYBE IF SOMEONE DIDNT DELETE IT I COULD REFERENCE IT!) , there should be no question as to whether it should be allowed to be
posted. Waiting for someone else to start a happy thread about how much they loved a film then wait to post is, in effect Tizzy, starting
what you wrote in your Private Topic to me, a FLAME WAR. Nothing of the sort occured in my thread.
oh and while we're on the subject of your Private Topic, and this goes for anyone, **** off with the "oh yeah? you didnt like a film? make a better one!"
if we lived by that around here, everytime we dissed a Michael Bay or Steven Spielberg film, where would we be? I, and anyone else, should be able to say
whatever we want without that tired, lame, response. Granted if we say something stupid like "i loved it because...its good!" or "it sucks cause you're gay!"
go ahead and delete the topic, flame the idiot who wrote it, DO WHATEVER but please, if we have negative to say but back it up, leave it be for the love of god.

I hate the saying, "You don't like it, make a better one!" or whatever.

Guess what, that saying is a load of fat crap. I hate it, I hate whoever coined it. It's a retarded saying. We as people have the right to speak our opinions of something (in this instance student films) and if we don't like a movie, guess what, we don't need to support our, "I didn't like it" with a better film than the film we didn't like. That would be retarded and arrogant..."Oh! Look! I made a better film than YOU!" RETARDED.

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Yes this is censorship. Any moderated board is by definition censored since the act of moderation, especially in this forum, is meant to ensure the "Prevention of disturbing or painful thoughts or feelings from reaching consciousness except in a disguised form." Of course censorship is not always a bad thing, assuming everyone who participates understands that what they are saying is subject to censorship and agree to that before participating.

As to how blasting a film with no attempt to be positive could help anyone, I can think of a way. It occurs to me that by pointing out a film's flaws you inform others of what mistakes to avoid. That said, if it is the guideline of this forum to not allow any purely negative criticism then that is the decision of the forum administrators and should not be changed unless it can be shown that this guideline goes against the goals of this site.

What is fuzzy to me is this: are negative comments about a movie banned regardless of the value of those comments? If I were to post my thoughts about a movie, and those thoughts were nothing but negative, would they be pulled even if I offered contructive criticism using legitimate reasons I was displeased by the movie? This assumes I would post such thought in the forum, and not in a review, because I want to engage in a discussion about these thoughts since the reviews the movie has recieved are opposite to my own and I want to know why.

Why do i state an answer to your questions Budget, just to have you ask them again? If it isnt clear by now, it isnt going to be. Im done explaining my actions.

To answer actionrangers question, no. Simply stating that a film didnt work because "_____ (fill in the gaps" would not get your thread deleted. But every review should try to be constructive.

I didnt delete the thread based soley on that, but also on certain members behaviour and an atmoshpere it was creating on the boards. I will say I fail to seehow starting a thread that says, "Its stupid for studns to make war films (and nota general statment but directed at one film) It looked cheap, the pyro was lame, and the actors were worse" was constructive even in the least.Honestly all of the above could have been said and followed up with what you personal opinion is to make things better in the future and that would be fine. But empty bashing with no suggestons on how to improve, or what to make inthe future is hallow and frankly sad.One thing is for sure. It is not constructive.

Finally to the "Make something better" comment. Think thats lame? Then dont bother going further. To say it applys to latestMichael Bay flop is ludicris. No, you cant right now makea better action movie with your MiniDVcam thenMichael. But to slam a high school student who grabbed a camera got some friends and shot stuff in the woods, and then say, "Telling me i should make something better is stupid" is retarded. You dont need uniforms to make a bettermovie, or guns, or a composer, but he had some very limited resources that you to should have (a camera, friedns to be in it, a location) If you cant pull that togethere then whats the point? Hell, I just moved to a new state with NO one here that i yet know to work with yet I have still shot a short all by my lonsome. Its not being stupid, its being creative. Very little should be expected of you at this level. Im sorry, but creativity is one of those things. Its the only shot anyone has.

Finally yes bad reviews is neccessary to growing a sa film maker. Do asearch on the boards Big and you will find more than a few people i have ripped into because they whyned over a bad review. Reviews are what they are, the boards are not review system unless someone ask specifically for it to be (as in about theirs, oranother film) Keep it in the review, or contact the film maker.
R. Michael

"Luck, is when opportunity, meets preperation." "There are 3 sides to every story. Yours, mine, and the truth, and none of us are lying" -Robert Evans
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