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There was a huge debate that stemmed from that very topic. It's around here somewhere. It dealt with how blacking the tape shouldn't be done because you should use the tape as little times over as possible so you don't ruin it, but a lot of people posted that they had no problems re-using tapes. One or two people suggested only using tapes once through and then throwing them out, DV tapes being only $4 each or so. But others (like me) use really nice $20 HD tapes, and I'll say right now that they deliver higher quality, period. You can tell the difference. And a that much, I simply can't afford to use them once and throw them out. That said, I have one tape I use over and over again, and have three others I have in reserve that I plan on using all the way through one by one. I'm sure the search function will yield the thread I'm referring to. EDIT: Here's one. Although I seem to recall a different one.
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| Posts: 1150 | Location: Marienbad | Registered: June 24, 2005 |    |
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quote: But others (like me) use really nice $20 HD tapes, and I'll say right now that they deliver higher quality, period. You can tell the difference.
If you're spending $20 per tape for miniDV cassettes, you're spending way too much, period. Paying extra for whatever 'premium' type is on the market now is worthless - in a very comprehensive test done a while ago by (I think) Adam Wilt, it was revealed that Maxell and JVC were some of the worst in terms of dropouts and glitches, and Panasonic (made by Fuji) and Fuji were the best. Sony was near the top also, but theirs are wet-type and should be used exclusively once started. Please quantify what you mean by "higher quality." Fewer dropouts? Less artifacting? As far as the actual picture quality, it's not going to be any different on a $20 'HD' tape (whatever that means - not like a miniDV camera that records in HD requires a special tape stock) than a $4 tape you got at Wal-Mart. Tape is not film.
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| Posts: 1871 | Location: Gainesville, FL | Registered: April 05, 2004 |    |
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quote: Please quantify what you mean by "higher quality." Fewer dropouts? Less artifacting?
Both. 90% less dropouts, and now they're never a problem. Plus the timecode is more accurate--the mechanics of the wheels are a lot smoother, so the motor runs at a more constant speed. You may say that's BS, but trust me, I tried filming a music video with a different tape and the music became un-synced within a few minutes. It keeps the time better on a better tape, or at least from my experience. It also has a 3dB higher carrier-to-noise ratio, and an extra 3 minutes at the beginning for color bars and noise tone. I just think personally it's made my videos better. And OK, it wasn't $20, it was more like $14. These are the Sony DVM63 HDV tapes I'm referring to.
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| Posts: 1150 | Location: Marienbad | Registered: June 24, 2005 |    |
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I've been using the lowest model panasonic tapes recently, and there fantastic, hands down. I was using expensive sony premium tapes before, and almost always got drop-outs plus there was at least 2or3 occasions where the actual tape(ribbon) broke in half! (I had to take them apart and tape them back together) In my opinion, I think even the cheapest Panasonic tapes beat out the most expensive Sony tapes for overall quality. (Plus, Sony tapes use a wet-type of ribbon which gunks up your camera heads faster)
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| Posts: 295 | Location: Montreal, Quebec | Registered: April 27, 2004 |    |
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Blacking a DV tape is pointless. In fact it can cause TC dropouts. I highly recommend "fluffing" or "packing" DV tapes, but no one should be blacking DV tapes. Joren www.jorenclark.com"In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's mind there are few. " ~Shunryu Suzuki
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| Posts: 1742 | Location: HELL-A | Registered: March 05, 2003 |    |
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quote: You may say that's BS, but trust me, I tried filming a music video with a different tape and the music became un-synced within a few minutes.
Something's wrong with your camera, then. Even the cheapest miniDV tape in a crappy Samsung camera will hold time to within a frame or two over a period of several minutes. FWIW I've never had problems with a wide range of tapes, including Maxell, Panasonic, Fuji, and occasionally Sony. I now use the cheap Pana tapes you can get at Wal-Mart for $8.50 for a 2 pack. They work perfectly and I don't ever get dropouts. I agree that blacking DV tapes is ridiculous - a holdover from the SVHS days (which I remember - I cut on a deck for 2-3 years).
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| Posts: 1871 | Location: Gainesville, FL | Registered: April 05, 2004 |    |
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I rarely re-use tapes, for sentimental reasons I guess. I'm the type of person who just uses a new tape since I use the cheap Panasonict ones. Since I don't record over old footage, should I bother to black just my new tapes? I'm getting a lot of good info. Thanks for everything thus far.
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| Posts: 23 | Location: Arkansas City, Kansas | Registered: March 01, 2005 |    |
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Fluffing or packing is the same as what Josh was talking about where you fast forward and then rewind it. The tape will be at the proper tension, it will ensure the tape doesn't stretch mid-recording, and if any loose particles are going to fall off the tape, it will happen then instead of during recording. Yeah, it's unfortunate that people think they need to black. DV cameras rewrite the time code based on when the recording starts. So, the TC could slightly slip causing small discrepancies on the tape which could make dropouts if the tape gets re-cued. Plus, it's doubling the wear on the heads. Joren www.jorenclark.com"In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's mind there are few. " ~Shunryu Suzuki
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| Posts: 1742 | Location: HELL-A | Registered: March 05, 2003 |    |
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