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the crossing paths bit is what makes it hard. otherwise you could confine each to one half of the screen. lock the camera. shoot twice, and matte it. | PerryKroll.com | TRC | "If not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled." Wodehouse
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| Posts: 5197 | Location: Tisch at New York University | Registered: June 03, 2003 |    |
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Use a combination of what everybody said. Do rough garbage masks where they're far apart. And when they cross, do more precise masks. Hopefully, it's only a few dozen frames. Remember, masks are keyframeable, so start with the first frame, then go to the last. Then go to the middle. Hopefully you won't have to adjust every single frame manually. This is rotoscoping. Joren www.jorenclark.com"In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's mind there are few. " ~Shunryu Suzuki
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| Posts: 1742 | Location: HELL-A | Registered: March 05, 2003 |    |
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This is a topic I know all too well. My last major project, "Me3" was based on this very principle. You can do it in premiere using garbage matts, and chromakeying (green/bluescreen), but honestly, After Effects is your better choice for this. That is what I ended up using in the end. I know that they dont really like links to your own work here, but I really think that in this case, it will help you get a damn good idea. Goto http://JRMorgenProductions.com and click on Our Work, Films. While watching it, notice the possitions of the figures in most of the shot. Most shots, had each figure on a seperate part of the shot. Shots where figures overlapped, were done with greenscreen compositing. Scenes where figures had to interact, often had stands ins that were digitally replaced. Lastly, the hardest things, were reflections, especially in water. For those, I had to use LOTS of layer masking, invovling complex animated layer masks that just cant be created in premiere. For shots like those, you definately need AE. I dont want to reveal ALL of my secrets here, so if you have any more questions after you watch it, email or im me. Hope this helps.
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| Posts: 32 | Location: NY | Registered: December 04, 2004 |    |
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