Hi..

After I've got a advice from many people, I went to B & H to buy a DVX 100, but one of the person that i met mentioned that DVX100 is very weak in dark with low balance compare to new Pd 170 where its 1 lux,...
Well, I guess it's all depend on what I shot, but I do shot a lot of club scene and some dakr off the street scence...

I do still want to get DVX 100, but can you tell sginificant differences or difficulty in with DVX 100??

jun son

Well, by now everyone here knows what I think.

Don't get the DVX100. Get the Pd170. If you want to know why, look in the countless other threads where I've explained it.

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how about difference between VX 2100 and Pd 170...

sure do know pd 170 is beetter, but any sginificant differences?? since I really have to push myself to purcahse Pd 170.. then..

I thought DVX100 was dominating the market...

It really turn things down.. in my side...

jun son

I need to get a camera very soon, and it is very hard for me to decied...

Pd 170: about $3500
DVX 100 : 2900~3200
Pd 150 : 2900~3200

I mean since od 170 came out it's pretty foolish to buy pd 150 at this point right?
help me out guys..

thanks guys...

jun son

It wouldn't be foolish to buy the PD150. The 150 and the 170 are extactly the same camera, except the 170 has a record/zoom button on the top of the handle, a larger viewfinder, and has a different lens hood. I also think it does slightly better in low light, but not enough to make that much of a difference. I have a 150 that does incredibly well in low light.

The only real difference between the VX2100 and the 170/150 is the audio. The 170/150 has built-in XLR, and no onboard mic. The VX2100 has an onboard (and a pretty sucky one at that).

The DVX100 probably is dominating the market, but that's just because everyone has an orgasm when they hear it has 24p. People don't want to admit that the actual design and ergonomics of the camera are AWFUL. Not to mention, the 24p doesn't even look like 24p; it just looks like a slower shutter speed, which any pro camera can do.

The Sony is by far the best mix of form and function. But don't take my word for it. Use both cameras. I believe you'll agree with me.

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Similar to the other DVX 100 topic, I left this link to take a look at, although it compares to pd 150. Maybe it'll answer a few questions, or raise more...

http://www.lafcpug.org/review_dvx_pd150.html

This topic has been done many times before. Oh well. I dunno what to say but, get the dvx100. Here's an ASC review of the camera:

http://www.theasc.com/magazine/product.htm

Uh, how can you disagree with the ASC about cinematography?!?!?!?!?! Not that that's what you should base you decision on- hopefully you can get in touch with someone that owns the camera to check it out with your own eyes.

JW, through the LCD screen 24p looks a little jumpy- like you said like a differnt shutter speed. You have to look at it through an NTSC monitor. Besides that I dunno how you can argue that it doesn't shoot 24 because.... It physically records 24 progressive images per second and then applies a pulldown so it can record to an NTSC tape- just like a film to video transfer. You can even undo the pulldown and have a true 24p video file.

Not trying to start a negative arguement, JW, it's all good that we have differing opinions on the cam. Just puting in my opinion.

Oh and the dvx isn't the best in low light. It's okay, but the vx2000, pd150 and probably the new one beat it. However, for narrative filmmaking (where you have control of the lighting) this should be somewhat of a non-issue.

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[This message was edited by Party Pooper on December 07, 2003 at 04:16 PM.]

I just did a multi-camera shoot last night at a big event here in LA, (I was a cameraman). It was a live auction, and we had 3 cameras out in the audience that would track the bidders, and then there would be a live projector feed on the ceiling on the tent. Anyway, it was VERY dark.. (imagine a formal italian resturant or something.

I was using a PD-150, another guy was using the VX-1000, and the third was using a DVX-100. They would put the two bidders split screen, and when my PD-150 was next to the DVX-100, it was like night and day. The PD-150 is no questionably the best handheld camera I've seen for low light situations. While the DVX is so coool... If you want low light, go with the PD-150.

"This is your life, and it's ending one minute at a time"

I did watch it on an NTSC monitor. And I didn't say that it doesn't record in 24p. I'm sure it does. I'm just saying I don't think it looks like 24p. I think it looks like a low shutter speed.

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This is true for one major reason. In progressive mode you do not have the option of altering the gain. 0db is locked in. The reason being many of the other "film-like" features are calabraited accordingly. Since upping the gain creates anamolies associated with video they opted to not make it an option as it would throw everything else off. Although in 60i you have full control of the gain and can alter it accordingly giving you every bit as much sensitivity in low light as you might expect from the Sony of Cannon line. Plus the DVX has a more recent CCD version (2002 as upposed to the 1999 version in the XL1s) you are getting the max resolution out of the camera.

If you want to shoot 24p in low light your going to have to deal, but the camera can handle it and seeign as you would have to shoot 60i with the PD might as well get the DVX and have the 24p cine-like gamma options when your not shooting in dark clubs. Tell the B & H salesman to do a little homework on his cameras.
R. Michael

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This site compared the two cameras very fairly i feel.

http://www.lafcpug.org/review_dvx_pd150.html

Dig it!

planetlee.net

Well, I was going to post the link again, but Lee seized the opportunity

Here's an article with a different twist that shows the dvx 100's weaknesses.

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/bhshootoff_2000_group.htm

Touché!

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Here's an article with a different twist that shows the dvx 100's weaknesses.

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/bhshootoff_2000_group.htm

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Thats funny. Reminds me of a statistics class.

If and when you take statictics youll find the bottom line is they are unreliable and often tainted by outside influences. One such example was a survey from the 50's where in 75% of employers said they would often decide on whethere or not to hire a prospective canidate based on teh appearance of his shoes. Unsuprisingly the survey was sponsered by Kiwi brand shoe polish products.

Here we have a "shoot out" sponsered by B & H a company that sells cameras. Out of the three the prices go something like this.

XL1: $4,699.
DVX: $3,569
DCR: $2,795

Unsuprisingly the most expensive of the three (The XL1) came out on top. Hmm.. if I was on the fence and knew little about the camera this might sway me to purchase the XL1 and why not with B & H??

Next was the DCR-VX2000. But this one is cheaper than the DVX! Yep by almost $1000, BUT call B & H and ask them what the hottest selling pro summer cam the have right now is and they will tell you its the DVX. They dont need to push this camera, but they certainly dont want a wharehouse full of DCR's lyiong around. Besides it just helps make the DVX look that much more inferior and your more likley to go with the next top dog, the XL1 (which is their most expensive)

Bottom line: Give me any camera and i promise you I can make it loo like s***.
R. Michael

"Luck, is when opportunity, meets preperation." "There are 3 sides to every story. Yours, mine, and the truth, and none of us are lying" -Robert Evans
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that camcorderinfo article is pretty laughable. WTF?!?! So, you point the cam at some color bars and... the XL1 is the best camera to get. Oh I see. Who would you rather trust some nobody on camcorderinfo.net or the ASC?

Ah whatever, i'm now tired of talking about cameras.

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Thanks for droping all the helpful info...

It always help to get different oppinion from different people..

I'll check out the review more carefully then make a decision...

THANKS GUYs..

jun son