ummm, yeah:

The filler scenes (aka sam's wedding) was to set up the story for if they ever wanted to make The Hobbit in to a movie. that scene acts almost as a transition into another movie.

oh so its like that first super mario bros. movie that said "to be continued" at the end yet the sequel will never come. so its just setting up for the hobbit and another "bankable seulement" movie

wait... i havn't seen ROTK yet (i know... i know... not my fault.. don't hurt me)

but how can the end set up for a story that came like 60 years before LOTR?

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what i HATE the most is when people are so obsessed with a movie, they start stating their opinion as FACT. i'm sorry to all of you who love the movies so much, but it is not FACT that the movies are great (nor vice versa)...it is all OPINION. I can easily come in and say the reverse of many are saying and go, "I feel pity for all of those who are clouded by the marketing and hype and think they love the movie because it is expected and since alot of hard work went into it, it must be kickass." Do i do that? that's not how i feel about this whole thing, but its just a taste of your own medicine (i'm talking about you, Imperial Pictures, CrazyWilly and MovieSamurai16). All of your egos seem to be past your control and it plauges communities like this. Drew stated what he didn't like about it, so did Liquid...you may not agree with what they say...but who's to say that they agree with why YOU like the movies?

Grow up...we're all filmmakers of sorts here...act like colleagues and dont speak your opinions as fact.

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Thanks Cypher. I gotta back you up on this one for backing me up.

that did seem weird to me as well, but i guess it could end up like the star wars trilogy where they filmed the second half of the story first and then went back to the beginning.

LIQUID, you can't turn a book that was a trilogy into duo. It would kill fans.
The end to ROTK isn't to set up for THE HOBBIT. The HOBBIT is a prelude to the Lord of the Rings. (Actually it was even written before LOTR, it was just LOTR was more popular.)
Those filler scenes, as they have come to be called, were simply for the fans. That was the falling action in the book and if they cut it at when the ring was destroyed, again, it would kill fans.
This movie is a fan based movie. With that in mind, it was also set up so people who didn't know about it would like it.
So, I didn't mean to sound all rude back there. I just wanted a wee bit more support for why you didn't like the movie, that's all.
No hard feelings?

" . . . Choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve . . . but as for me and for my house, we will serve the Lord." - Joshua 24:15

Cypher, man, get a grip. Most people state their opinion as fact, it's when they fail to appreciate that their are people with different opinions that you've got to worry.

Seriously though, I don't understand why the people who aren't fans of LotRs got to be so angry. Do you think that you're somehow being marginalized because you don't have the same tastes as the fans, just because there seem to be more fans than non? Do you have to be so vehemently anti-LotR?

Seriously, so much hate man, so much hate. The non-Star Wars fans aren't so quick to the cut with a scathing criticism of Star Wars. They just shrug it off. Star Wars isn't their thing, not matter how much hype it gets. Meanwhile all the non-LotR fans feel like it's their sacred duty to society to play the town downer and deflate everyone's trip.

I'm sorry back to my point. When you deal with how good a movie is there is only opinion. That's why awards are decided by votes, there's no absolute standard that everyone can agree on. Was Chicago really the best movie of 2002? Maybe to some people, but not to everyone, but it's been declared the Best by the Acadamey. The simple truth is that people declare their opinions in language that accurately describes the truth to them. If I say, "The Lord of the Rings trilogy is the best movie trilogy ever made," that is because to me that is true. If people disagree with me that is fine because I did not say "By the common standards that all of mankind holds to be true, the Lord of the Rings trilogy is the supreme pinacle of filmmaking and all who disagree are aberattions of our species who must be shown the error of their ways lest they be deemed unfit for our society."

OH yeah, and claiming that LotR is overrated is stating opinion as fact as well. There's no escaping it. Besides, Wizard of Oz is far more overrated than any other movie could be, ever.

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LIQUID, you can't turn a book that was a trilogy into duo. It would kill fans.

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Ya like when Tim Burton made Batman and all of the fans of the classic Batman hated it. But it ended up being so much better (for the first one at least). **** the fans. Making a motion picture for a sole group is stupid. If you believe that films arent always about $$$ (yeah I wish if it only was that way) then stuff would always be changed. Ppl worry too much about offending the former "cult" followers. They say they made the 3 movies for the fans. I'm not a fan. So shouldn't I be able to bash? So what if something kills the fans. If it ruins their respect for the story than so be it. Ruining a story is a small sacrifice in order to make a better film. ei. The Shining. I just hate when fans demand to have an adaptation made specifically "for them" and then ***** when other ppl don't like it (hmm..? wonder why that happens?). If a jew hating nazi book is made into a movie for jew hating nazis and I dont like it, is that a bad thing? will u hate me? now if LOTR is made for LOTR fans and I dont like it would u hate me for that too?

Star Wars prequels.

The fans asked. Told Lucas what they wanted. Luxas made them. Why would anyone listen to Star Wars geeks?

"i wanna see Boba Fett when he was a kid"

"Ok, i'll work that into the script!"



-TacoWagonProductions

i heard N'sync was almost in one of the prequels because lucas's daughter like them. now what does that tell u about what can influence a filmmaker. u got guys like Johnny Depp who just 5 years ago were making films like "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" have kids and make disney crap. the audience is not your conscience, they are simply just another critic (except they arent too cheap to pay for their ticket and popcorn).

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Seriously though, I don't understand why the people who aren't fans of LotRs got to be so angry. Do you think that you're somehow being marginalized because you don't have the same tastes as the fans, just because there seem to be more fans than non? Do you have to be so vehemently anti-LotR?

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I'm not anti-lotr. I only think the second one sucks...the first one is great and the second is really good...its actually the LOTR fans that go nutz over this and speak in a way as if they somehow know much more than others because they love the movie (such as you did with your post). You should take your own advice and tell the lotr fans to chill out - especially the ridiculous amount that say its the greatest movie/trilogy ever and if you dont think so, you're stupid. (much like matrix fans use the argument of people not understanding it - which just doesn't work).

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I don't understand why the people who aren't fans of LotRs got to be so angry.

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Thats like saying you don't understand why any white person would be against slavery. Even thought theya rent black and its not their battle. ARe u saying they should just pretend like its not their problem.

Honestly I am kinda mad at LOTR cuz I feel like I wasted my money on what was supposed to be an awesome movie. But guess what, that's my problem. I'm not angry at any of you, just as you probably aren't angry at me [I think...] But again, it just all comes down to who liked it and who didn't. I'm just a part of the group who didn't see what the hype was and just didn't feel anything for it. I did enjoy this little post cuz I've seen the other side of why people liked it. It still hasn't changed my opinion, but it's all good. As for all the stuff being for the fans [Forsaken Productions], I think you're right. I'll admit that I've been swayed by certain things/movies just because it makes me feel as if I am a part of it. I almost wish I read the books so I can feel like a part of this community, but I never was much of a reader -= p Neways, no hard feelings definitely.

A couple of guys from N'SYNC were in the prequels. As extras.

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I don't understand why the people who aren't fans of LotRs got to be so angry.

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Thats like saying you don't understand why any white person would be against slavery. Even thought theya rent black and its not their battle. ARe u saying they should just pretend like its not their problem.

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Woah. Just, woah. Comparing slavery to the Lord of the Rings trilogy is just wrong. One is a social structure which devalues human beings and the other is a series of movies. That's like comparing the Holocaust to Everybody Loves Raymond. Seriously, no.

What I was saying is that the Lord of the Rings is an artistic pieces and if you don't like it, that's fine. You just don't have to berate people for liking it. Just state your position in a way that explains your dislike and doesn't attack people who disagree with you.

And Cypher, when people explain their love for the trilogy I don't understand why you believe they are acting like they know more. Isn't that just an explanation of their appreciation? I thought they were just explicating aspects of the movie to explain why they liked it. If they see a theme or a element that you didn't I don't think they're trying to show off.

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And Cypher, when people explain their love for the trilogy I don't understand why you believe they are acting like they know more. Isn't that just an explanation of their appreciation? I thought they were just explicating aspects of the movie to explain why they liked it. If they see a theme or a element that you didn't I don't think they're trying to show off.

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What annoys me is when people use the excuse of one not liking something becuase they didn't get it (as is down with LOTR and Matrix all the time). You said LOTR is a peice of art - anything these days is art, so what makes that so special? That's like saying lotr is good becasue its a movie...just because its something that many other things are, doesn't make it good.

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well, I still do not have enough good points that convinces me that LOTR is a bad movie

Acting, story, visuals, directing: everything seems very well done to me

And I've seen them many times and analyzed them as well.

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You said LOTR is a peice of art - anything these days is art, so what makes that so special? That's like saying lotr is good becasue its a movie...just because its something that many other things are, doesn't make it good.

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Actuallly I was stating that LOTR is art because it makes its statement using an artistic medium. Whether it is great art or not, or whether it is high art or pop art, is another debate altogether. How you got the rest of that out of my statement I don't know.

...i like pop art ^^